Playing Fast and Loose

If the gun control movement has been turning the exploitation up to the max with the Zimmerman case, CSGV has been turning the dials all the way to 11. World class reality distortion expert and lilliputian Josh Horwitz is busy over on HuffPo trying to distort the facts around the Florida law, pointing to the immunity section of the statute, and arguing that prevents “ever having to face any meaningful review of their actions by a jury.” This is hogwash. This immunity can only apply in the event your self-defense is lawful under 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 of Florida’s statute. If the facts are in dispute in regard as to whether you fall under this immunity, a jury will try those facts. I argued previously, this actually doesn’t mean a whole lot, and really only prevents prosecutors from abusing people who by all accounts were engaged in lawful self-defense. If there’s probable cause to believe the self-defense wasn’t lawful, then arrest and prosecution and proceed. Horwitz is essentially arguing we ought to be able to prosecute individuals without probable cause. Which isn’t lawful regardless of whether this statute exists or not. As I’ve said, I’m not sure really what purpose this passage serves in regards to criminal immunity, since it seems to me to just restate what is already law.

The bottom line is that prior to the “Stand Your Ground” law, if you were out in public in Florida and could avoid spilling blood by safely retreating from a conflict, you were required to do so by law. Now, hundreds of years of common law have been thrown out the window and the Seminole County grand jury will have to evaluate Zimmerman’s actions through the lens of the NRA’s new (and dangerous) statutes.

The standard is safely retreating. The law required retreat only when retreat could be done in complete safety. That’s a relatively tough burden for prosecutors to meet. Indeed, one of the arguments our opponents used to try to defeat the removal of the retreat requirement was to argue that it’s never been abused to lock away innocent people, because it is a tough standard to prosecute someone on.

So the $64,000 question is will the grand jury ultimately indict George Zimmerman or find that he acted in lawful “self-defense.” Prior to the “Stand Your Ground” law, a claim of “self-defense” would not have been possible, as Zimmerman would have had a duty to retreat to avoid a conflict with Martin (something which everyone acknowledges he could have done safely). But with the law in place, the grand jury may have the legal wiggle room necessary to avoid taking action.

This is just BS, plain and simple. Horwitz has absolutely no evidence that duty-to-retreat would have played into this case. I’ve seen one report that Zimmerman was on the ground with Martin on top of him. Duty-to-retreat would not have played into those circumstances. I’ve seen another report that Zimmerman was headed back to his truck and was attacked. That’s another circumstance duty-to-retreat wouldn’t have played into, because Zimmerman was in the process of retreating. As I’ve been saying repeatedly this week, this case is going to hinge on whether Zimmerman was legally faultless, more so than whether he could have retreated, and that would be the case whether Florida had this statute or not.

Horwitz then goes on to lament that Florida will issue licenses to people who have been arrested but not convicted:

Or you can be someone like George Zimmerman, who committed a violent crime but was able to plea-bargain it down to the point where it served as no obstacle to him obtaining a permit. And permits are good for seven years — so once you are issued one, you may not have your record checked again by the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services (the issuing body) until you renew the permit.

Zimmerman shoved an alcohol enforcement officer that was trying to arrest his friend in 2005. He was arrested, and in exchange for having the charges dropped, entered into what in Pennsylvania we’d call an ARD program, which means charges are dropped in exchange for your entering into a non-criminal rehabilitation program. This is usually done for non-violent first time offenders… typically DUIs here in Pennsylvania. Was it appropriate for Zimmerman? I think that can be debated. But the fact remains that Zimmerman was never convicted, and we don’t deny rights in this country without due process of law. Horwitz’s claim also implies once you have the license, they ignore any criminal activity you have in the mean time. This is just false. If you’re convicted of a disabling offense your permit will be noted, and revoked.

Horwitz is likely thrilled, because this case is earning CSGV some attention when they are largely, otherwise ignored. They’ve even been quoted in friendly media articles, the media being equally eager to exploit the tragedy for gain. It’s our job to ensure that once the hubbub over this case dies down, things go back to normal, and CSGV are left to their normal routine of begging for attention, any attention.

Update in Nordyke

The Nordyke case was head a few days ago, right after the Peterson oral arguments concluded. This was the case over Alameda County banning gun shows on its property. Apparently now they are suggesting the gun show can continue as long as the guns are tethered to the tables. This seems reasonable to me, since many gun show operators around here tether the guns with a cable lock anyway. The San Francisco Appeal has more. This is an indication that the county doesn’t have much confidence in its case.

The Gift Wrapped Tragedy

Much like the shooting of Congresswoman Giffords, the Treyvon Martin shooting is the kind of tragedy that’s positively gift wrapped for our opponents in the gun control movement and the media, and they are exploiting the tragedy to the hilt.

Bloomberg News notes that it shows the weakness of American gun laws. The Tampa Bay Times, who are renowned experts on self-defense law, note the problems with Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, even though there’s no evidence at all yet that a duty to retreat would have played into these circumstances. The New York Times is certainly quick to jump in to blast Florida law, even though New York City’s laws are roughly the same. But of course the New York Times knew that, being such strong experts in these matters. The distinguished law professors at CNN tell us that the stand your ground law seems central to this case. Another post at a New York Times blog who don’t realize their law is the same as Florida’s and always has been. Even the National Review, apparently friendly to self-defense interest when the going is easy, run with their tail between their legs when the going gets tough.

It’s a gift to our opponents because it has folks talking about gun control, vigilantes, and wild, out of control redneck gun nuts. Tragedy may be our opponent’s currency, but demographic stereotypes are their natural manure. Any time they can people to surrender all reason, get angry, and act based solely on their emotions, it’s fertile ground. We should be on guard. I do not defend Zimmerman’s actions, but we have to be prepared to defend our rights from those who would exploit the shooting for their own political gain.

New Yorkers Rally in Albany

New York Second Amendment enthusiast are rallying in Albany today. You know one thing they won’t be rallying for? Castle doctrine or “stand your ground” laws. Why? Because New York already has them. That’s right, hysterical media, the self-defense laws that govern Florida are not that materially different than the ones that govern New York City, and I don’t hear New York prosecutors bitching that their laws are an abomination and interfere with their ability to prosecute criminals.

Grand Jury to Be Convened in Zimmerman Case

I figured it would go at least this far. Even if the evidence they thought they have is scant, the political firestorm surrounding this case almost guaranteed that it would go to a grand jury. I should note that were I in either side’s shoes, I’d want this outcome. For Martin, it’s a chance to have the evidence publicly aired. For Zimmerman, if he really is an innocent man as he says, here’s his chance to be exonerated by an impartial jury. This is an interesting detail we haven’t seen previously:

Zimmerman said he had stepped out of his truck to check the name of the street he was on when Trayvon attacked him from behind as he walked back to his truck, police said. He said he feared for his life and fired the semiautomatic handgun he was licensed to carry because he feared for his life.

If that statement is true, then Martin is the aggressor and Zimmerman would be legally faultless, which we discussed in the previous post. The question would then be whether he reasonably believed he was in fear of great bodily injury or death, justifying his use of deadly force in self-defense. If he was indeed walking back to his truck, he was already retreating, and a duty to do so would not have factored into this case, unless he was close enough to his truck to make an escape in complete safety (a difficult standard).

Another common mistake people are making in this case is believing that the attacker has to be armed to be able to use deadly force. This is not the case. The law allows for deadly force to be used on an unarmed attacker in some circumstances. That one party is armed and the other not doesn’t really matter. Only the circumstances under which deadly force were used matters.

H/T to Miguel, who has more.

Mob Justice

I have made it pretty clear on this blog that I am not at all supportive of how George Zimmerman handled himself in circumstances that lead to the shooting of Treyvon Martin, and believe the authorities should take his case to a Grand Jury so that the evidence and witness statements can be scrutinized. But I am absolutely not a fan of trying men, and I don’t care what color they are or where they are from, in a court of public opinion. I am not a fan of mob justice. I don’t care if 20 million people sign a petition to incarcerate George Zimmerman, that’s not how the system works in this country. We arrest people when we have probable cause to arrest them, and you don’t get probable cause until an investigation turns up evidence that disproves or casts doubt on the self-defense claim. We also don’t deprive people of life or liberty without due process of law in this country.

The FBI’s civil rights division is getting itself involved in the case now. This is to be expected, and may even be welcomed by the local authorities since it takes some of the heat off them and brings in a third set of eyes to examine the evidence and witness statements. Police have released more calls in the past from Zimmerman, which show a pattern of mall ninjary and playing cop that seems to have developed over time. A new witness has also come forward, who was on the phone with Treyvon Martin when the altercation began (WARNING: Link will play an obnoxious advertisement automatically). I’ll be honest, I’m skeptical how much detail of a situation someone can get over a cell phone, particularly who threw the first punch. But assuming the witness is credible, I would argue that Treyvon has a good faith belief he was defending himself.

But on matters of self-defense, one disappointing aspect in regard to the coverage of this case, is how poorly people seem to understand self-defense law. The media could step in and presents the legal facts, but they are happy to fan flames and throw gasoline on the fire, rather than try to educate people. I think it would be very unlikely, whether there was a duty to retreat or not under Florida law, it would play into this case. Retreat has always required the ability to do it in complete safety in order for it to be required; if you’ve met the standard of a reasonable belief that grave bodily injury or death is imminent, you’re not expected to run from your attacker unless you could have done so in complete safety. The law has never required you to make a judgement about whether you could outrun your attacker, or disengage from an affray without getting stabbed, etc.

What the Zimmerman/Martin case is likely to hinge on is whether Zimmerman was faultless. Generally, in order to claim self-defense, you have to have no fault in the circumstances. In other words, who threw the first punch is relevant here. If it was Zimmerman who used unlawful force on Martin, by trying to restrain him, etc, then Zimmerman’s self-defense claim can’t stand. In fact, Martin would have the valid self-defense claim in using force to defeat Zimmerman’s use of unlawful force. The fact that Zimmerman disregarded advice from 911 is not material. What 911 tells you are not lawful orders that must be obeyed. That doesn’t play into fault here as far as the law is concerned. Word are also generally considered insufficient to surrender faultlessness. In other words, if Zimmerman asked Martin “What are you doing here?” or even if he verbally antagonized Martin, and Martin attacked, Zimmerman is still faultless legally. Even if Zimmerman unwisely pursued Martin, that still does not create fault in the eyes of the law. The validity of the self-defense claim hinges almost entirely on who started the affray. If there was not a witness to those circumstances, it hinges on Zimmerman’s statement, and whether it comports with the evidence and statements from witnesses, and whether any of it casts doubt on the self-defense claim.

One consequence of our legal system, which requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt, is that sometimes murderers will go free. We can’t incarcerate someone because we just know he’s guilty. We can’t incarcerate someone for being a racist asshole, and disregarding all sound advice about not engaging in cop-wannabeism or mall ninjary. Incarcerating someone takes evidence, witness statements, an indictment, and a trial by a fair and impartial jury. Justice is not meted out by the mob in this country, and that is how I sincerely hope it remains. I do want to see the Martin family get a day in court before a grand jury, who can examine the evidence, and decide whether there’s grounds to indict Zimmerman. But that is a formal process, which takes time, and mob justice in the mean time isn’t going to solve anything.

Plea Deal for Meredith Graves

She took a plea to a misdemeanor and paid a $200 fine:

“This is not the kind of case that should prevent her from being a doctor,” attorney Daniel Horwitz said. “Licensing boards have a lot of discretion.”

“It’s the type of disposition that will allow her to get on with her life and career,” he continued, explaining why Graves, whose husband accompanied her to New York for her court appearance, decided to plead guilty. “What she did is not a crime in Tennessee.”

Graves will have pay a $200 fine in the case.

It’s still a travesty, but we will fix this. We can’t have individual cities opting out of respecting the Bill of Rights.

Romney Derangement Syndrome

Roger L. Simon thinks the phenomena is real. I do have to say, the idea that Romney is a marxist is rather farfetched, but I’ve also heard people claim it:

So why pick on Romney over this? In truth, we are in the era of Romney Derangement Syndrome. It has gone so far that in the PJ Media comments today, someone wrote there was no hope for the country because Obama and Romney were both Marxists.

Really? The co-founder of Bain Capital is a Marxist? Well, I suppose if Bain were wildly unsuccessful you could hypothesize some kind of Cloward-Piven covert sabotage of our economic system was being attempted. But it wasn’t — and isn’t.

My big problem with Mitt is that he’s uninspiring and blows with the wind (or just plain blows, as you will). But hey, if my alternative is Mr. War On Porn, I can get over it.