NRA-ILA: We’ll Be Back

A statement from Chris Cox Exec. Director of NRA-ILA:

“While we are disappointed that the 60 vote procedural hurdle was not met, the vote shows that a bipartisan majority agrees with the NRA.  We would like to thank Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.), Sen. David Vitter (R-La.) and Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.), along with all senators who voted in favor of this amendment on both sides of the aisle. The efforts of these senators were not in vain, as the NRA will continue to work tirelessly to ensure this important legislation finds the right avenue to come before Congress once again.”

Emphasis mine.  If the anti-gun folks think they’ve seen the last of this bill, they would definitely appear to be mistaken.

The Vote Breakdown

We’re making a list, and checking it twice, so we can find out who’s naughty or nice.  Here’s a breakdown of the votes on the Thune Amendment, for national reciprocity for concealed carry licenses, in the US Senate.  We should not fret, or feel defeated.  We just got 58 votes from the most Democratic Senate we’ve had for a long time.  Almost a supermajority.  We have come a long way, and this was a major piece of legislation.  Here are the results.

YEAs —58
Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Casey (D-PA)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagan (D-NC)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Tester (D-MT)
Thune (R-SD)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Vitter (R-LA)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Wicker (R-MS)
NAYs —39
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Burris (D-IL)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kaufman (D-DE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Specter (D-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
Not Voting – 3
Byrd (D-WV) Kennedy (D-MA) Mikulski (D-MD)

Vote Coming at 11:30

The voting on the Thune Amendment will begin at 11:30.  This will let us know who our real friends are in the Senate.  I will update as the voting proceeds.

UPDATE: DiFi was heard on C-SPAN talking about how strict the California licensing process is.  She would know, since she’s been through the process.

UPDATE: Thune is calling the Democrats out for using a VPC study which is largely crap.  Some of the alleged killers did not have permits, and one of them who did was never charged because it was self-defense.

UPDATE: Barassso just whipped out his Wyoming concealed carry license on the floor of the Senate.

UPDATE: Coburn just said he would support the Dems in the states right argument if they’d agree to a bill on enumerated powers and restoring the 10th Amendment.  Think there will be any takers?

UPDATE: I think the vote will be at noon.  Someone said 11:30.  Can’t remember where I saw that.  High Noon on the Senate floor… ha!

UPDATE: Barbara Boxer claims she’s never seen the phones in her office ring off the hook.  That sounds like a dare to California gun owners if you ask me.

UPDATE: Boxer just acknowledged DiFi’s personal experience with the California permitting process.

UPDATE: Webb and Warner were both yes votes.  Both Virginia Democrats.

UPDATE: Indiana Republican Dick Lugar voted no.  Evan Bayh, an Indiana Democrat, voted yes.

UPDATE: Democrat Bob Casey voted with us.  Former Republican and now Democrat Arlen Specter voted against us.

UPDATE: Gillibrand is a no too, but I gave up on her a while ago.  She’s switched sides.

UPDATE: Udall of Colorado voted yes.  We might break majority.  Holy crap, Bennett too!

UPDATE: Why did Specter vote no when a lot of fellow Democrats didn’t cave?   Webb & Warner were targeted with full page adds yesterday.  Bennett hasn’t had to face the voters yet and will in 2010.  Udall was never alll that reliable in the house.  They voted yes.  I think Specter made a mistake.  A big mistake.

UPDATE: Last call for vote changes.  Arlen?  Come on man.  We just picked up Pryor from AK.

UPDATE: Final vote 58-39.  The bill is defeated, as it needed 60 votes under the rule.  I told Bitter this morning I expected majority, but no passage.  We have done better than I would have anticipated, and this was a major piece of pro-gun legislation that would have altered the landscape significantly.

UPDATE: Expect gloating from the anti-gunners, but we came very close.  We will be back with this bill, or another like it.  They can take that to the bank.

Carrying Defensive Sprays

Brillianter looked at the results of his private citizen survey, and was surprised more people aren’t carrying defensive sprays.  He makes a case for it.  When I was spending more time in Philadelphia, and more likely to run into drunk assholes than I typically am in the burbs, I carried OC.  Once I talked to someone who was on a grand jury over in New Jersey, who deadlocked over the issue of “Why did the nice police officer shoot the guy with a knife when he could have used pepper spray?”  Ultimately they ended up no billing him, but a several folks on the jury were not happy about it, but it was the law, and the guy I talked to ultimately blamed the training that teaches officers to shoot people charging at them with knives.  Apparently he expected kung-fu moves with the officers night stick, and thinks pepper spray drops a deadly threat as reliably as a pistol.  I figured I didn’t want to end up in a similar situation, so I solved the problem by not carrying a spray.

I think Brillianter makes a good case.  You’re a lot more likely to end up facing a non-lethal force situation than you are a lethal force situation, so it makes sense to carry a spray.

Specter is Opposing the Thune Amendment

From Specter’s Office:

“From my own experience growing up in Kansas and being District Attorney of Philadelphia, I know states need to prescribe their own rules for carrying a concealed deadly weapon. This is the essence of federalism. My vote against the Thune Amendment will not limit the constitutional rights of hunters and gun owners. Pennsylvania already recognizes concealed carry permits from 24 other states where their laws are similar.”

And only one of those states borders Pennsylvania Senator!  You have to go to West Virginia, in the Southwest Corner of the state, to be able to legally carry a firearm to protect yourself out of this state with a Pennsylvania License to Carry.  There are over 600,000 of us, and we will remember this in 2010.  This was a dumb move on Specter’s part, who is already facing an uphill battle from both the right and left.

Call Specter now.  Flood his switchboard, and let him know you are pissed.

Clarification

Earlier today, someone from NRA contacted me re my post here, saying they were aware of the problem with the dealers that’s inherent in the One-Gun-a-Month bill, and presented it to legislators, had their concerns dismissed.  Evan Nappen is now on Cam and Company saying basically the same thing.  Legislators who advocated for this bill were told, and just did not care.  Corzine was going to ram this turd through, and consequences to gun owners be damned.

What Jon Corzine Thinks of Us

Scott Bach goes over the details.  Apparently we’re a threat to public safety and potential criminals, in regards to the Thune Amendment.  Call your Senators, even if you’re in New Jersey or New York.  Don’t let the Lautenbergs, Menendezs and Schumers of the world feel confident they don’t have constituents they are upsetting with the crap they are spewing about gun owners.

A Brief History of Immigration in the United States

From Marko, who is a German immigrant:

For most of this country’s history, our immigration policy has been “Can you hop off the boat under your own power?”  It’s only when the folks in charge decided that the wrongly-hued or wrongly-believing people were getting too many, that the gangway was pulled up, and the cries of “The boat is full!” started sounding.  It seems to be a tradition that every group of immigrants, once settled, spent a lot of time and effort keeping the next group of immigrants from contaminating the American Stew.  The Irish faced their share of discrimination, for example (“No Dogs Or Irish!”), and when folks were mostly satisfied that the Micks weren’t going to turn our WASPy paradise into an outpost of rampant potato-munching and whiskey-swilling Popery, the Irish joined forces with the rest to keep the swarthy wops out.  When the Italians were in, everyone turned against the Chinese and Japanese, and so on.

Read the whole thing.  I’ve heard more immigration horror stories from various people that defy belief.  While I am in favor of cracking down on illegal immigration, I think that has to be done in conjunction with liberalizing immigration laws so that people who have skills we need can come here legally and work.  Race or national origin should not be a factor.

Commentary on New York Centered Hysterics

First, Assemblywoman Michelle Schimel:

“What’s good for Nevada isn’t good for New York,” said Schimel, a Democrat, adding, “We have rules specific to New York for a reason.”

Jacob notes:

Yep, and that reason is because the Irish and Jewish mobsters running Tammany Hall in the late 19th/early 20th century did not want to compete with new Italian mafiosi immigrants who were moving into NYC at the time. So “Big” Tim Sullivan created the current “may issue” system of discretionary pistol licensing to keep anyone Tammany Hall deemed undesirable (i.e. average citizens) from legally having handguns for self-defense against criminals, including the criminals running Tammany.