Live: The Continuing Senate Debate

The Senate is in recess currently, but will return at 2:15 to resume debate, which should happen until 3:30 or so. We’ll be doing live updates here when that begins.

2:15PM: The Senate is now returning.

2:16PM: Harry Reid is speaking to the media. So far it’s about the Second Boston Massacre. He says they will continue forward and have votes as soon as they can. He says perhaps today or later.

2:20PM: Reid is now taking questions from the media. I’ll update this timestamp if they ask anything about gun control. A reporter asks of momentum has been lost on background checks. Harry Reid notes he has hay fever, but says there’s significant momentum. Notes that their party caucus was as moving as any he can remember. Joe Manchin gave a moving, tearful presentation. Blah, blah, blah. He notes that they have the wind at their back, and the American people agree with them. Reid notes that Cho couldn’t have passed a background check, but he did, Harry. Someone asks about concealed carry. Harry Reid said it’s like baseball, it depends on the bill, but that he’d look at it. We’re back to questions about Boston and terrorism.

2:27PM: Back to the Senate floor, where the crickets are chirping.

2:33PM: I should mention that the more you’re hearing crickets, the better off we are. When they come out on to the floor to vote, that usually means some kind of deal has been reached, and the what follows will be pretty much kabuki theater. If you’re following along on C-SPAN, hearing Chopin is good. Chopin is our friend.

2:37PM: I should note that whatever deal might be reached doesn’t imply it will go badly for us. It could be a deal that involves acceptance Toomey-Manchin will go down to defeat, and either be replaced by something else, or we just scrap all this nonsense and move on. A deal is not necessary defeat. Wait until votes are posted. In the mean time, hope for Chopin. I like Chopin anyway. Good background music while I work.

2:42PM: C-SPAN is replaying the speeches from the Senate floor earlier. I hate it when they do this because it makes it harder for me to hear if we’ve transitioned to a live speaker. Music to speech is a much easier transition than speech to speech.

2:55PM: “The week is finally here,” notes Chris Murphy (D-CT), where the Senate gets to vote on gun control. How exciting. Speaking too soon hopefully. Now he’s recounting what he was doing when he first heard of Sandy Hook. He’s also reminding us that this is For the Children(TM). He’s continuing with his stories of the murdered children. Apparently these are the last few. Now he’s reminding everyone that the NRA hates Newtown victims and children because they won’t go along with punishing millions of American gun owners for the acts of a lunatic.

3:14PM: Chris Murphy (D-CT) is still up talking about murder victims, like any of us have anything to do with any of this.

3:22PM: Now he’s talking about being a responsible gun owner. This is a subject he knows nothing about. He’s talking about Glock 9s and high capacity ammunition. He has no business legislating or bloviating on this subject. He’s speaking now of gun accidents, and not noting that gun accidents are at an all time low, largely because of spreading a culture of safety through education, something Chris Murphy has never spent a minute of his time doing.

3:29PM: Murphy motions to extend the debate time until 5:30.

3:31PM: Back to Chopin.

4:16PM: Now Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) is up speaking. Starting off with a statement about Boston. He’s now running down a list of crazies with guns none of us had anything to do with. He’s now saying Cho bought guns online and at a gun store without a background check. This is a lie. He’s sponsoring a magazine ban on behalf of Lautenberg. He’s thanking the victims for being courageous. Why is it courageous to lobby your lawmakers?

4:24PM: Blumenthal yields the floor. He suggested that the vote may be “as early as tomorrow,” meaning it’s likely not happening today.

4:26PM: Chopin!

4:31PM: Mitch McConnel is up asking for a resolution honoring Margaret Thatcher.

4:33PM: Back to Chopin.

4:57PM: Still short on votes.

4:59PM: Barbara Boxer is up. She’s noting her state has been hit too often by gun violence, including mass shootings. I guess California must have weak gun laws! She’s speaking about Patrick Purdy and the Stockton Massacre. Now she’s talking about an assault weapon attack in San Francisco in 1993. I’d note that was years after California banned them. She has a chart up showing a map of gun violence. She is noting that 300 million Americans own guns, and speak of Americans owning many, many guns as if there’s something wrong with that. 87 people die every day from gun violence, she says. That number just keeps magically going up, and up. Ah, yes, she got to that number by counting suicides, if you do the math. Killed or wounded in 2012 in a mass shooting: 175. I think more people were killed by their bathtubs last year. How does anyone vote for these people? This is just such crap. Another lifesize printout of a powerpoint slide: number of people killed or wounded in K-12 shooting since 1999: 262. I’ll bet more were killed in accidents on the way home from school. For the Children(TM)! Now she’s talking about her school security bill. She notes it doesn’t include armed security. So how is it worth anything?

5:26PM: Debate extended until 6PM.

5:28PM: Ted Cruz is up talking about Margaret Thatcher.

5:42PM: Ben Cardin (D-MD) is up saying we need to ban magazines and scary guns. He says that this will have zero impact on legitimate hunters or legitimate shooters. He can kiss my ass. Now he’s upping the number of private sales to 50% of all gun purchases. Hey, if you’re going to lie, why not make it worth your while?

5:50PM: Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) is up talking about climate change. It’s a right wing conspiracy, or something. One of his slides made it look like he was planning to take people, and turn them into pizza.

6:04PM: Sheldon Whitehouse makes his contribution to stopping CO2 pollution by stepping off the platform, and the Senate goes into recess. There will be no vote today. There could still be a vote, but the caucusing will continue.

The Sum of all Fears

We want to carry firearms for self-protection. We’re told by groups like VPC that we’re paranoid and delusional, and that our irrational fears ought not to be the basis of public policy. But the irrational fears of foreigners about the level of violence in the US? Totally grounds for making public policy.

UPDATE: Kerry’s claim gets three Pinocchios from the WaPo. Some days you wonder if gun control supporters even know how to be factual.

Analysis of the Boston Bomb

Joe takes a look at the explosion and concludes it may have been a deflagration rather than an explosion. He has more direct experience with this explosives than any other gun bloggers I know, so I’d trust his analysis. Reports coming out in the media about it being a gunpowder bomb fit with what Joe has said. I don’t want to even think about the new restrictions on civil liberties the powers that be will dream up in response to this one.

Today is the Day

Where we’re likely going to have a vote in the Senate. Please call your Senators, even if you have done so already. You can find contact info here. We can win this. Graham is opposed. Jeff Flake is opposed. Let’s give them a vote, and send them packing!

UPDATE: Harry Reid is on the floor right now touting SAF/CCRBKA support for this legislation.

UPDATE: Grassley is up speaking, saying they don’t have the votes. Grassley is acknowledging the bill is flawed, and opposition is not coming form the fringe. Sounds like Grassley is also suggesting there will be some kind of alternative that the anti-gun folks oppose. Coburn?

UPDATE: Dick Durbin is up, reminding us that we do this For the Children(TM). We also have to do it for Gabby, but mostly, For the Children(TM).

UPDATE: It just kind of kills me that people just got blown up in Boston, and what is the Democrats’ priority in the Senate? Gun control.

UPDATE: Durbin is dragging out the thoroughly debunked 40% number.

UPDATE: Durbin is off the floor. We’re now waiting on the floor for another speaker. It’s not a fore drawn conclusion there will be a vote today. Obviously they want a vote, but it may not happen today.

UPDATE: *crickets* (or rather Chopin, on C-SPAN)

UPDATE: Harry Reid has motioned to extend the debate to 3:30PM, and put the Senate in recess until 2:15PM.

UPDATE: Coverage will resume here.

Canadian Ad Agency Behind AR-15 Ads

I think bans on Little Red Riding Hood, Dodgeball and Kinder Eggs are just as repugnant to a free society as banning AR-15s. Freedom is a difficult concept for a lot of people. Especially these days, it seems. This “Mom’s Demand Action” is a new group. You can read more about them here. It’s interesting that their Facebook Page already has more followers than the Brady Campaign. I think we’re going to see some old enemies die off, and some new ones come about in this current political struggle.

UPDATE: According to Thirdpower, they are a rehash. Speaking of rehashes, I think the Brady folks are planning to change their name again. “Voices Against Violence” anyone? It wouldn’t surprise me. I suggested back in 2009 they were making some pretty awful branding decisions. It ought to be noted that Bloomberg has avoided that mistake.

How Convenient?

Toomey is moving offices tomorrow, which means phones and computers will be down, just in time for a vote on the Amendment he helped forge with Manchin? Too convenient for him by far. It’s almost like they don’t want to hear from us.

Cheaper than Dirt Again?

When this all started, CTD took a lot of crap because they pulled down gun sales in the wake of Newtown. Now, from their blog, it looks like they are supporting the Toomey-Manchin amendment? This is making me glad I do my gun shopping at MidwayUSA and Brownells. Let us hope that Reid still remains short on votes for this. I think the struggle to come up with the votes is a clear indication that this was an unnecessary maneuver. If the votes are barely there for this, Schumer’s bill didn’t stand a chance:

First, let’s start from the point where we lost the cloture vote. The vote lost by a huge margin with 68 senators voting in favor of cloture. Once reached, it was evident something was going to go to the floor and Schumer’s background check bill was simply draconian, bad, evil, and needed to be stopped.

The cloture vote was just on the Motion to Proceed. That didn’t mean anything. That didn’t mean anything other than a lot of Senators wanted to go on record with votes on gun stuff. That can be for reasons that favor us, or for reasons that don’t. You will note that NRA did not score the cloture vote on the Motion to Proceed, but threatened to score the cloture vote to end debate on the final bill. That means it was not panic time.

Holy Crap!

Looks like there were some explosions during the Boston Marathon. Terrorism?

UPDATE: Looking at some of the video out there, the explosion doesn’t look like it was that large. But who would target the Boston Marathon? And why?

UPDATE: Well, that didn’t take long. Worms.

UPDATE: Lots of speculation running rampant in the media and on Twitter. I don’t plan to do play-by-play with this nonsense. We’ll have the truth soon enough. We’ll return to regularly scheduling blogging shortly.

UPDATE: The President’s initial statement.

UPDATE: Don’t jump to conclusions.

Dave Kopel on Manchin-Toomey

If you’re looking for legal analysis by someone who actually has a law degree, and is widely regarded as an expert on this topic, see this post over at The Volokh Conspiracy. In short the registration guarantees and the new FOPA rules are useless. Actually, worse than useless:

The result of the disparity is “pro-gun” provisions which are actually very strong anti-gun provisions: The supposed ban on federal firearms registration authorizes federal gun registration. The supposed strengthening of FOPA’s interstate transportation protection exempts two of the worst states (the reason why FOPA was needed in the first place), and provides any easy path for every other abusive state to make FOPA inapplicable.

Read the whole thing. We have to kill this. Call your senators. And given the late developments, be sure to remind them that Alan Gottlieb doesn’t speak for you.