Grounds for Warrantless Search and Taking Kids in New Jersey?

NJKidAROver at The Blaze. Apparently The New Jersey Department of Youth and Family Services got wind of this picture and decided to do a raid. Showed up at the guy’s house demanding access to the home and guns, without a warrant. The wife wisely contacted the husband, who wisely contacted his lawyer, who wisely advised him to tell the fuzz to piss off. They then threatened to take his kids.

The worker refused to identify herself. Mr. Moore demanded that she giver her name. She refused and ran away.

As of Tuesday morning, Mr. Nappen believes that DYFS is still pushing for an inspection, “which is not happening.”

A lot of these family services folks are really no better than petty tyrants. This is what’s going to happen to gun owners all over the country if our opponents get this way. New Jersey is about as close to the end game as we have an example of in this country. Gun owners there are pariah, and they are treated as such by every level of the government, who is used to getting away with this kind of thing. Our demands are pretty simple: the Second Amendment has to be taken seriously, and be given the same stature as every other right.

But in the mean time, when the cops show up at your house over a matter like this, the less you say the better. I recommend this doormat.

11 thoughts on “Grounds for Warrantless Search and Taking Kids in New Jersey?”

  1. The 2nd only speaks to their motivation — their actions violate the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th. Not to mention basic human decency.

  2. “New Jersey is about as close to the end game as we have an example of in this country.”

    One of many potential end games. What’s worse is that it’s not even enough for these clowns, they always want more of our cake.

  3. The woman did the right thing by not letting them in. All of us should remember: No Warrant, NO Admittance.
    Also if you live in someplace like NJ don’t post pictures of yourself or children with any kind of weapon.
    Guns? I ain’t got no stinking guns. I don’t need no stinking guns.

  4. I’ve said this before, but you can’t say it enough. When dealing with gov’t officials, in particular law enforcement, give as little information as possible.

    If you are being investigated as a possible suspect in an offense, MAKE NO STATEMENTS. Simply politely decline to make any statement whatsoever, and request you be permitted to contact your attorney. I tell clients this way – if you are in the liquor store when it is robbed, and you can ID the robber, I hope you do so. But the very MOMENT that officers turn to you and even remotely hint that you might be a suspect, say nothing.

    Officers will lie to you, tell you that this is your chance to “tell your side,” to “help yourself.” That they are the only one that can help you. That they have evidence they do not have. Don’t listen. Refuse to make any statements. Politely.

    The other bit of advice? There are few absolutes in life, but this is one. NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER consent to any search. EVER. Not your car, not your house, not your person. NEVER. Politely, of course.

    BTW – I have that doormat. At my office. My tag on the truck? GTAWRNT.

  5. When I was a kid, and my parents were home-schooling us, we used to hear stories like this.

    Child Protective Services (or equivalent) would show up, without a warrant, and demand to talk to the child. Or inspect the house. They will threaten to take the child away.

    I guess such agencies don’t assume that they need a warrant for most things, and live in a comfortable state of limbo of not often dealing with people who are willing to challenge them on 4th Amendment grounds.

    Kind of like civil-rights discussions about recording Police activity. It’s the kind of thing that should be crystal-clear to the officers and officials in question. But they often either don’t know, or don’t care.

  6. The Soviets used to have a family services bureaucracy like ours but they abolished it back in the ’60s as too oppressive.

  7. I deleted my Facebook because of bullshit like this. I think it’s far more dangerous than most of us realize.

  8. Seriously, maybe we should all go have a potluck at their house. So when they come back with a warrant. They find 50 armed Americans, prior serviceman, off-duty law enforcement….all asking


    *rack* *click* *cough*

    Getting sick of this…

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