Now we have some good evidence to show why more businesses caved and issued statements saying gun owners aren’t welcome to Shannon Watts after Bloomberg bought “merged with” her group.
It seems that not giving Shannon her press release telling lawful gun owners that they aren’t welcome means Bloomberg will spend at least six figures to attack your company.
Kroger is really pissing her off by not giving in to her political agenda. She hasn’t been successful at motivating a grassroots response, so now she’s opening Bloomberg’s wallet with billboard buys, as well as “print and digital full page ads and wraps in both the local Ohio press and national titles like USA Today.”
MDA is doing these “grassroots” campaigns against businesses because their disarmament movement is losing where it really counts: In elections and in the courts. Their “rallies” have become complete jokes and most of their support is via woefully ignorant people on social media who haven’t donated a dime to their efforts.
Hopefully Kroger and other businesses simply ignore these temper-tantrums, forcing sugardaddy Bloomberg to continue opening up his wallet to fund Watts and delay the inevitable. It brings a smile to my face.
Just read yesterday that Bloomy is going back to take over the Bloomberg media company he started… He said it was his life’s passion. What started recently as a couple hours a day recently has resulted in 8 to 10 hours a day and the CEO resigning (read hung out to dry) to allow Bloomy back in.. Let’s hope this totally distracts him from his anti -second amendment jihad… Maybe Shannon’s money honey will lose interest like a spoiled rich kid and ms watts money will dry up…
It seems like Texas loser Kory Watkins and his merry band of rifle-toting idiots will have to try a little harder to convince yet another retailer to change their gun policy for the worse.
Remember when Starbucks refused to cave at first? The open carry attention whores took that as a sign to ramp up their idiocy until Starbucks eventually did cave. I fully expect these idiots to give Krogers the same treatment. And just like with Starbucks, Kroger’s Facebook page is already getting plastered with gun pictures:
https://www.facebook.com/Kroger/photos_stream?tab=photos
Well, at least when I scrolled down for a way I didn’t see any pictured of people carrying *IN* a Kroger.
The most I saw was a guy showing his IWB handgun rig… in his house.
Now I did see a lot of a silly Kroger+heart icon, and a hell of a mess of bad photoshops of the same two people pasted into a generic freezer aisle.
Remember the “Guns and Coffee” logos? Remember how idiots kept pushing Starbucks until they just wanted to be left alone? Now those same idiots are working their magic on Kroger.
Um…. a bit of advice. You’re moving the goalpost here.
First you complain about that Kroger is getting plaster with gun pictures. Even though the bulk of them are from the MDA advertising blitz.
And then you use as an example an icon that has *neither* a picture of a gun, the word gun, the words second amendment, or anything more threatening than the word “rights”
Yeah the icon’s silly but if that’s your standard for “idiots working their magic” then you’ve got a much lower bar than you owned with.
The example I used, the “Guns and Coffee” logo, has both a picture of a gun and the word gun. But that’s irrelevant to the discussion, just like saying the bulk of the gun pics are from anti-gunners (also not true btw). The problem is that gun morons are dragging in yet another business that wants nothing to do with gun politics. If it were all anti-gun pictures posted by MDA’s minions, or even mostly anti-gun pictures posted by them, then we wouldn’t be the ones dragging them into this. But look at the pictures again. We should take the high ground, but too many gun owners are rabid idiots who think that the way to win over businesses is to plaster their social media with more graffiti than the other guy.
Look at Starbucks’ Facebook page. There are a few idiots posting political stuff about guns, but very few and far between. That “Guns and Coffee” campaign overwhelmed their Facebook page with gun stuff for years. They couldn’t be happy that Starbucks didn’t cave. They had to keep pushing it, until eventually Starbucks had had enough.
Yes, the idiots are trying to work their magic yet again. MDA doesn’t need to convince Kroger to change their policy. All they need to do is convince rabid gun owners to keep acting like idiots, which they’re more than happy to do since their goal isn’t to actually win the battle, but to score internet points by repeatedly poking their enemies in the eye. If it hurts the gun community, then oh well. But hey, look at this here Facebook post! That showed ’em real good! Look at me! I gots an AK in the produce section! That’ll show ’em!
At least with the “Guns and Coffee” campaign, there were a lot of people who also just spent money at Starbucks to show their support for the company, and probably many who CCed (like myself) when they spent their money. The key was that we were showing support by having the Starbucks executives see a real bump in their bottom line on the day we said we would support them. That is a worthy campaign IMO.
The OC activists on the other hand don’t seem to be doing it primarily to support a business, but to show how they can legally shop for produce with an AK slung over their shoulder and “educate the public”. This is a significant difference IMO.
You realize the campaign is over and it didn’t work, right? Starbucks had enough of all the gun nonsense thrown at them and told gun owners to get lost.
And I disagree that OC activists are trying to “educate the public”. If that were the case, they’d stick to what worked, they wouldn’t keep doing it at new businesses after it backfired at the last business. For example, after turning Starbucks against them, maybe they wouldn’t repeat the same process at Krogers. No, these people are just attention whores. Not even well-meaning attention whores, since they’re more concerned about scoring internet points than they are about outcomes.
Krogers may not have caved yet, but I’m sure they’re not thrilled to be drawn into a charged political debate – oh and that now there’s a 6-figure ad campaign trying to get people to stop shopping there. This is how we get businesses on our side? Better would be to have the decency to avoid dragging them into the fight. Could you imagine if the pro-life and pro-choice folks ran around turning businesses into battlegrounds for their pet issue? With pictures of fetuses and everything? It would be unsettling to many people. Kinda like idiots with OC rifles in the produce section. Even if it only happens a few times, they then memorialize it online – which MDA is happy to broadcast far and wide.
I think you mistook what I was getting at. The reason why I put “educate the public” in quotations was because I think it’s just as ridiculous and attention-whoring as you obviously do. We’re in complete agreement there.
However, I do think the Starbucks campaign initially started off slightly different. There was more of an initial push to support Starbucks first and carry in their establishments second. Of course, this campaign started to skew straight into OC activism just like the recent OCT and related events have gone, and it resulted in Starbucks finally caving in because they, you know, care about selling coffee.
I’m not big into OC, I don’t do it myself unless I’m at a range/shoot, but I have seen some practical use of it in my time. With that said the OC activists have no tact whatsoever and don’t think about the long game, and that’s the reason why I can’t get behind them.
Yes, I did mistake what you said. And yes, we’re in complete agreement. I even think the Starbucks thing would have worked out OK if they just backed the hell off when Starbucks didn’t cave in. Even after rubbing everyones’ faces in it for a year. But they kept the nonsense up for 2 or 3 years. As you said, Starbucks just wants to sell coffee.
And yes, OC activists typically have about zero tact. Activism draws a certain kind of person, and I think activism for very controversial issues draws an even more special kind of person. IE, not helpful to the cause. Just like the abortion activists and their fetus posters, the OC activists have lost all sense of proportion and propriety.
Yeah, Starbucks pretty much told everyone to get stuffed, not just the gun guys. That was fine with me. It shouldn’t have to go all one way or the other. OCT needs to stop trying to help us, though. They muffed the Starbucks thing, Target was a suckfest, and people like them are going to do the same with Kroger. It makes me wonder if it’s actually a false flag operation. How many times do we need to see it to reach that conclusion?
” We should take the high ground, but too many gun owners are rabid idiots who think that the way to win over businesses is to plaster their social media with more graffiti than the other guy. ”
Well you’re certainly doing your part.
I mean hell if this is how you deal with someone who AGREEES with you that the rifle OC is counterproductive and that one shouldn’t spam the social media pages…
I mean in athe’s name you’re more hostile to someone who is disagreeing with the photo density on a facebook page than you are with someone who’s defending rifle OC in a supermarket. Bravo sir.
How the hell are you going to convince someone who isn’t agreeing with you?
Your problem is that you also take the anti’s arguments and run with them with your method of discourse and what you think of other gun owners. Down to the hysterical rantings about people with AK’s in the produce aisle.
Dare I ask, because I’m honestly curious but how much photographic evidence is there of rifle OC in Kroger? Are they actually doing what happened in Starbucks.
Because MDA’s mostly using pictures from September of 2013.
Or are you going to react with hostility to that inquiry too?
so they are spending $100,000k on a campaign? Thats chump change.
What I find amusing is that a lot of these ads are appearing on right wing and Nazi lover sites, such as Instapundit, Vodkapundit, and others. It is really a hoot to see popular gun crazy Glenn Reynolds pontificating on why everyone needs to own an arsenal of military grade machine guns, while all the ad spaces on his site are taken up by this well thought out campaign.
Fortunately for my wife and I, the Cincinnati Kroger stores are emphatic about not wanting gun crazies to be walking around in their stores, pointing their M-16s at every colored person they see.
“January 21st, 2017. President Warren announces that her first official act is to issue an executive order declaring the 2nd Amendment to no longer be in effect.”
The above is going to be my refrain from here on out whenever I make a comment.
Oh yea, NTH has got himself fully plugged into reality . . . . (!!)
(facepalm)
You misspelled “last”.
“January 22, 2017. President Warren is impeached for violating the Constitution, since even the most rabid Democrat Representative doesn’t want to set the precedent that the President can unilaterally nullify parts of the Constitution they don’t like, because eventually, someone who opposes abortion, or is a rabid Christian, etc., will get elected and do the same damned thing.”
Not Trigger Happy just illustrated a complete lack of reality, the Constitution, and history.
Frankly, in such a scenario, DEMOCRATS voting in a block to impeach, convict, and remove the President would be the optimistic outcome from the Democtrat party point of view.
I think Countertop nailed it. This small amount of money given by Bloomie represents the fulfilling of an obligation, grudgingly, or perhaps the easiest way to get an annoying, but philosophically aligned supporter, out of his hair for a while.
“Kid, here’s a quarter. Go down to the store and buy yourself some candy while I sit here and talk with your older sister.”
http://www.thv11.com/story/news/crime/2014/09/07/over-100-teens-swarm-memphis-plaza-knocking-out-shoppers/15262309/
Why would anyone need a standard capacity magazine in a Kroger?
More than 100 teens swarm Memphis plaza, ‘knocking out’ shoppers
MEMPHIS, Tenn. (WREG) – THV11’s CBS affiliate WREG reported that three people are now recovering after a mob of teenagers ran through a busy shopping plaza, seemingly picking out customers and Kroger employees at random to attack.
A video of the incident has been shared with local news stations in the area and is quickly going viral. It shows a young adult lying still on the ground as others repeatedly kick him and stomp his head. Other are seen being chased or knocked to the ground.