The Coveted Horiuchi Endorsement

By HS Precision?  Let’s hope they have no idea what Lon Horiuchi was responsible for.  I also hold out the possibility this could be a hoax.  After all, it’s not wise to believe everything on the Internet at face value.

UPDATE: Someone is reporting the company is confirming the endorsement.

UPDATE: It is no hoax.  Add HS Precision to the list of gun companies I won’t be sending money to.  Do any of these companies actually think before acting?

UPDATE: Joe mentions that McMillan makes some great stocks, and to the best of our knowledge don’t associate with people who murder women.

14 thoughts on “The Coveted Horiuchi Endorsement”

  1. Outrageous. And a bit odd, as for some reason I was thinking about Randy Weaver earlier today.

    HS Precision – not that I would have bought much from you, but now I will make it a point not to even if I became a brazillionaire.

  2. Well, now that it has been confirmed, I will be (dare I say it) boycotting HS Precision in the future. There are certainly enough other manufacturers of similar equipment out there, and I am sure they would be more than willing to accept my business without associating with (and probably paying) these types of folks.

  3. While I will not condone what Randy Reeve was,a white supremest, or David Koresh, a cult leader who did molest young girls. The behavior of this federal agent is also despicable and repulsive as well. He has shown himself to be a loose cannon on deck, who takes the law into his own hands. Thus, the endorsement by HS Precision of this this agent is in bad taste and should be held accountable for it.

  4. Actually, one hears that Horiuchi was not a loose cannon on deck, but that his supervisors opined that Mrs. Weaver was the key to the family’s cohesion.

    I’d never heard of HS Precision before today, and I think I’ll keep it that way.


  5. Why seek an endorsement from a guy who missed an infant, on a clear shot at 200 yards?

    A friend tried to reconstruct the homicide, and may have the solution. Orders were to kill any armed male seen outside the house (said orders being of course quite illegal). One of the males was seen outside, shot at, and missed. He of course sprints for the door to the house, seeking cover.

    Rather than trying to hit a running target, Horiuchi puts his crosshairs on the doorway and waits. As the guy reaches the door, he fires.

    But when the guy reaches the door, he realizes he’s about to run over Vicki Weaver, who is standing just inside. Startled, he halts or slows. The bullet meant for his back as he went thru the doorway instead kills her.

    Talked to a prosecutor, who said the State should have prosecuted not only Horiuchi, but the FBI official who gave the illegal order. For various legal reasons, the case against the official would have been easier, and giving an order to commit murder (indeed, merely “advising” someone to commit it) make a person fully guilty of the murder, as an accessory before the fact.

  6. I’m in the process of emailing CZ-USA right now and am looking up an email address for Remington and not finding one. Guess I won’t be buying anything from Remington in the future if they can’t even provide an email to which we can send emails.

  7. It seems like HS Precision is guilty of being clueless. The letter featured on their catalog was from an FBI official responsible for a weapons procurement. I find it surprising, but I can see how marketing might use that letter and not recognize the name. It was amazingly stupid. It demonstrated a failure to understand a large portion of their potential customers. I don’t think it’s more than that.

    In contrast:

    Zumbo threw a bunch of decent gunowners to the wolves – and should have known better. I don’t think betrayal is too strong a word for what he did.

    Cooper let himself be quoted in USA Today providing cover for SEN Obama on the subject of gun control. This, too, is contrary to the interests of his customers and employees.

    HS Precision hasn’t come close to this. They’ve demonstrated appalling ignorance and bad taste. I would expect them to withdraw the catalog. However, I’m saving my flaying knive for folks that truly work against our interests.

  8. Dave, some clarification of facts. The orders were:

    1. If any adult male is observed with a weapon prior to the announcement, deadly force can and should be employed, if the shot can be taken without endangering any children.

    2. If any adult in the compound is observed with a weapon after the surrender announcement is made, and is not attempting to surrender, deadly force can and should be employed to neutralize the individual.

    3. If compromised by any animal, particularly the dogs, that animal should be eliminated.

    4. Any subjects other than Randall Weaver, Vicki Weaver, Kevin Harris, presenting threats of death or grievous bodily harm, the FBI rules of deadly force are in effect. Deadly force can be utilized to prevent the death or grievous bodily injury to oneself or that of another.

    Note that orders to kill applied even if the adults were inside the cabain. Also note that the Weavers always left the cabin armed with at least a handgun. In can’t find it right now but I’m pretty sure Vicki had a holstered handgun when she was shot. Hence, IMHO, her death was within the rules of engagement. To the best of my knowledge Horiuchi’s lawyers never tried to argue that point.

    Horiuchi shot and hit Randy Weaver before shooting at Kevin Harris, seriously wounding Harrisand killing Vicki Weaver with the same shot.

    Also of possible interest is that being from Idaho my peers and I would regard an unannounced and unknown person shooting at our guard dogs a threat to the personal safety of our family and hence subject to deadly force against said person.

  9. Joe –
    For which you would be counted as a legitimate target for removal… according to their rules.
    And as I understand it, the thug in question never really went to trial for this shooting. I’m pretty sure that the fed court declared itself to have jurisdiction about as quickly as Idaho brought the csase to the grand jury. By the time the supreme count had remandered the case back to Idaho the prosecutor ‘s office had changed hands and the new one wasn’t interested in brining the case to trial.

  10. Joe, my memory of the Rules of Engagement (itself a telling term) had faded over the years. It’s interesting that the rule for shooting a dog involves whether he has “compromised” things. That’s a lot broader than bitten, gotten nasty, etc., and could encompass, oh, barking when you are in the area.

    “Compromise” brings to mind another thing. That was the code word at Waco on April 19, which amounted to “the Davidians have shot, pump in all the CS gas you want.”

    And the agent who radioed the word “compromise” was, as I recollect, named Horiuchi…

  11. MidwayUSA carries H-S Precision items. I hate this, but i am going to have to send Larry P. and email stating that if they dont drop H-S P from their inventory, I will have to trade elsewhere.
    Boycott all companies who trade with H-S P!

  12. I can’t believe how stupid this company can be, it is obvious that their main market (customers) here is Federal and state agencies. Screw the public we need the big money! Ok then for all of us that represent the public, we need not purchase your products, ever! Who the hell would consider that asshole a good sniper? I do not believe he followed any kind of Rules, codes or method ever thought to american Marksmen in any federal course. I know he could not have learned that shit at Benning. The truth is that gun battle was a free for all. This idiot just happen to kill 3 individual, it does not take an expert to point and shoot at all in a cabin. This is the type of Person HS perscision wants to endores thier product. Who the Hell are going to see next William Laws Calley, Jr. I sure his body count from My Lai will be very impressive in obtaining federal purchases.

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