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A C183 Firearm? Or C183 Point-and-Shoot Camera?

The media, who know about as much about guns as a squirrel, are jumping all over the story about Adam Lanza having his own gun safe. Maybe he did, or maybe it was Nancy Lanza’s safe. Either way, a big thing they point to is this?

Investigators found more than 1,600 rounds of ammunition in the house, and a holiday card with a check “made out to Adam Lanza for the purchase of a C183 (firearm), authored by Nancy Lanza,” according to a search warrant.

What the hell is a C183? I’ve never heard of a firearm by this model. It is a 14 megapixel camera. Did some ignorant journalist see C183 and just assume it was a gun? Who determined a C183 is a gun? I’ve never heard of any gun by this model name, and it’s possible there is one I don’t know about, but it is definitely also a point and shoot made by Kodak.

Thanks to WR2A for the story.

UPDATE: It occurs to me if you misinterpreted a Z as a 1, it could be a CZ83.

42 Responses to “A C183 Firearm? Or C183 Point-and-Shoot Camera?”

  1. David W. says:

    I don’t know, the first link you gave us the report clearly says C183.

    And according to google:
    C283 = some sort of medication
    C383 = remote control or a “Floss Skein”
    CA83 = Helipad and welding hood
    CB83 = is a baseball bat

    Really, we can’t tell if CNN is just being its normal idiotic self and calling a camera a firearm, or if it actually was a firearm until we either see the check and compare it to the price of a C183 camera, and a CZ83 pistol.

    • Noodles says:

      Even if it was for a CZ83, he’s not old enough to purchase a handgun.

      • Paul Bartomioli says:

        mom buys the guns, then gives them to child. Does straw purchase ring a bell? then again, how many minor children “own” firearms they did not buy? I know of a few.

    • Paul Bartomioli says:

      It is in the warrants released by CT State Police. When I first heard it, I thought about CZ pistols, as well. While the explanation is plausible, it sounds as if it were written by a doctor with a broken hand. A “1” that looks like a “Z?” Anything is possible.

      Exhibit 612.

      link here.
      http://ctmirror.org/sites/default/files/documents/Search%20Warrant%202.pdf

    • Mary Liz says:

      People at CNN don’t know anything about guns
      &they need to get off of this conversation.Pier needs to return to the UK.Why does a foreigner feel hee has more authority?Liz

  2. Sebastian,

    Thank YOU for running this story as it unfolds! I have cautioned my compatriots to take the time and read, digest, and dissect all this new info, because as you know, SH has become like a shrine for the GC cult. Even as I type this, there are more and more “takes” on SH, Lanza, and what this all means.

    Here’s the latest:
    http://fairfield.patch.com/articles/court-documents-detail-evidence-in-sandy-hook-school-shooting-ec4a5cdd

    More to come, I am quite sure. Again, thank you so much for running with this story!

  3. Ryan says:

    They’re just quoting the police report.

    • Ryan,

      Yes, a police report we have been waiting on since December, and they say they will issue an even more in-depth one in June. This serves all of us for now, as it debunks some things outright and validates other things outright.

  4. Bubblehead Les says:

    One story said that he had a SHOTGUN in the Civic’s GLOVEBOX, with TWO Magazines providing 70 ROUNDS of Ammo for that.

    I guess the Cup holders in that car can hold a 55 Gallon Oil Drum, huh?

  5. ursaele says:

    OMG! He had an “ARSENAL” consisting of 2 rifles, a starter pistol, and 1,600 rounds! It’s freaking kucky he did not kill every one in America with that much firepower…

  6. Sebastian,

    I found this part interesting–

    In the bedroom believed to be Adam Lanza’s, police found:

    Photo of a dead boy
    Gun safe
    Playstation
    XBox 360
    Microsoft XBox
    Video games
    Cell phones
    Hard drives
    Computers
    Thumb drives
    Cassettes and CDs

    I’m not one to claim that video games make psychos out of normal people, but….at this point I am wondering if Lanza wasn’t having his inner psycho fed by the playing of video games. Not a sermon, just an observation. There is much info to sort through here.

    • gattsuru says:

      Two-thirds of the United States population plays video games in some fashion, and nine-tenths of the teenage and young adult population does. Finding that teenager has an Xbox and video games in their room doesn’t really mean much.

    • Jeff says:

      The most bizarre item on this list is a teenager having cassettes.

  7. Sam C says:

    At least they had a legitimate excuse when confusing Сайга-12 for “Canta-12.”

  8. NUGUN Blog says:

    I think the CZ183 is most likely the intention. His mom probably confused the designation.

    What I found interesting was the declaration that all were killed by .223 cartridges, that more than a 150 casings were found, and he had three 30 round magazines.

    150 – (3×30) = 60 rounds….that’s a lot of rounds to reload into a magazine.

    http://blog.nugun.org/2013/03/28/am-i-doing-my-math-wrong/

    I’m going to wager a lot of it is just poor reporting or piss-poor sloppy work on the part of the police investigators.

    • Ken says:

      Considering the following review:

      The micro-sized .380s that have arrived on the scene in recent years have reduced dimensions to the point that they are difficult to control even for the most accomplished shooters. The CZ 83’s combination of small size and moderate weight easily handles the new generation of high-performance defensive ammo that has become available for ‘pocket’ pistol calibers from leading ammo manufacturers. The DA/SA trigger mechanism operates in the same manner as the CZ 75. The 83 can be carried ‘cocked and locked’ with the hammer back and the safety on for single action operation, or it may be manually decocked for hammer-down carry. When carried in the decocked position, the safety lever does not need to be de-activated, but instead the first shot is double action and subsequent shots are single action. The CZ 83 features an ambidextrous manual safety and magazine catch.

      Along with its superior shootability, the 83 boasts twice the magazine capacity (12+1 in .380) of its tiny competitors.

      I think the camera was the likely intention.

  9. Patrick H says:

    And despite having 1600 rounds, he was only able to use a tenth of them Shocker.

  10. reader says:

    From the Press Release (http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=521730&A=4226):

    “Recovered from the person of the shooter, in addition to more ammunition for the handguns, were three, 30-round magazines for the Bushmaster, each containing 30 rounds. Located in the area of the shootings were six additional 30-round magazines containing 0, 0, 0, 10, 11, and 13 live rounds respectively. One-hundred-and-fifty-four spent .223 casings were recovered from the scene.”

    Assuming he loaded each mag completely, subtracting what’s described as being left in the magazines results in 161 spent cartridges. Police say 154 recovered. The missing seven could either be not recovered or perhaps never loaded in the first place (i.e., he miscounted and put 28 or 29 into a 30-round mag).

    • reader says:

      Sorry, forgot to cut and paste what was left in the rifle: “The Bushmaster was loaded with a 30-round capacity magazine. Fourteen rounds were in the magazine when the Bushmaster was recovered by police. There was one round in the chamber.” Add these 15 rounds apparently fired from the mag still in the gun to the totals in the above post and my numbers work.

    • Sloppy says:

      A 30 round magazine loaded to capacity is difficult or impossible to insert into an AR-15 if the bolt is closed. Standard practice is to load 28 rounds. Since several partially loaded mags were found, it seems safe to assume he was inserting magazines while the bolt was closed. Therefore it also seems reasonable to assume the magazines were loaded to something less than 30 rounds. Not that any of this makes a rat’s ass worth of difference.

      • Hopeful says:

        The guy doesn’t seem strong enough to carry all the weight of the weapons, ammo and wearing heavy vest. Also as they say his mother was killed with one shot in the forehead. He quickly drove to school, made over 150 shots in three rooms and shot himself. Does it look like work of a shy skinny video games player or more likely a trained professional? Think people, don’t swallow what they feed you. This investigation is not complicated. There are fingerprints everywhere and they belong to whom?

        • Sebastian says:

          I think you need to adjust your tinfoil hat a bit.

          • Ronnie says:

            I am still wondering if we are ever going to see anything that was captured from whatever security cameras that were inside or outside of that school on this fateful day. Or, are we going to eventually hear something like although the school had security cameras, they were not “working right” at the time? We got to see some still images from the cameras at Colombine High School from what I can recall, and that school shooting had two shooters, took longer, and less victims than this one did.

        • BillC says:

          A competent professional would not have needed 6 shots to kill each child. A competent professional would have completely depopulated the school in the interval before the police arrived. A competent professional would not have ejected partially used magazines.

          You are aware that the shiny side of the Reynolds Wrap faces in when you make a beanie, aren’t you?

    • NUGUN Blog says:

      Good find, as I said, I figured he had more magazines and it was either poor reporting or poor investigation.

    • Thomas says:

      Ty for that. I saw that 150+ rounds were spent and only saw three mags recovered. Didn’t make any sense.

  11. Sebastian,

    Deeper and deeper goes this rabbit hole…

    Reuben Bradford
    Commissioner Colonel Danny R. Stebbins
    Deputy Commissioner
    Division of State Police
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    March 28, 2013

    DANBURY STATE’S ATTORNEY RELEASES ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON DECEMBER 14, 2012, INCIDENT AT SANDY HOOK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL

    Stephen J. Sedensky III, State’s Attorney for the Judicial District of Danbury, today released the following statement concerning the December 14, 2012, tragedy at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut:

    On the morning of December 14, 2012, Adam Lanza, the shooter, age 20, of 36 Yogananda St., Newtown, shot his mother, Nancy Lanza, age 52, in her bed with a .22 caliber rifle. There was no indication of a struggle.

    Later the shooter went to Sandy Hook Elementary school where he shot his way into the building and killed 20 children and 6 adults with a Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15 rifle. The Bushmaster was loaded with a 30-round capacity magazine. Fourteen rounds were in the magazine when the Bushmaster was recovered by police. There was one round in the chamber.

    The shooter took his own life with a single shot from a Glock 10 mm handgun. He also had a loaded 9mm Sig Sauer P226 handgun on his person. Recovered from the person of the shooter, in addition to more ammunition for the handguns, were three, 30-round magazines for the Bushmaster, each containing 30 rounds. Located in the area of the shootings were six additional 30-round magazines containing 0, 0, 0, 10, 11, and 13 live rounds respectively. One-hundred-and-fifty-four spent .223 casings were recovered from the scene.

    It is currently estimated that the time from when the shooter shot his way into the school until he took his own life was less than five minutes.

    The police found a loaded 12-gauge shotgun in the passenger compartment of the car the shooter drove to the school. The shotgun was moved by police from the passenger compartment of the car to the trunk for safekeeping.

    The guns used in the shootings were apparently all purchased by the shooter’s mother. There is currently no indication that the shooter attempted to purchase the guns and was denied. The gun locker at 36 Yogananda St. was open when the police arrived. It was unlocked and there was no indication that it had been broken into.

    Under Connecticut General Statutes Section 51-276 the State’s Attorney for the Judicial District of Danbury is in charge of the investigation. I asked the Connecticut State Police to conduct the criminal investigation. We are being assisted by numerous other state and federal agencies.

    Five search warrants were obtained on December 14, 15, and 16, 2012, for the car the shooter drove and his home at 36 Yogananda St. I sought and obtained sealing orders for these five warrants and the returns. The orders were issued by the Honorable John F. Blawie for 90 days. The orders expired March 27, 2013.

    Today those warrants and their returns are being released subject to redactions that I requested of the court yesterday. This is an ongoing and active criminal investigation which is most effectively done confidentially. Indeed the rules of Professional Responsibility as they apply to prosecutors require that I take steps to not make extra judicial statements that I know or reasonably should know will be disseminated by means of public communication and will have a substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing an adjudicative proceeding in the matter. The rule also applies to investigators working under my authority. As this criminal investigation is ongoing, active and no definitive conclusions have been reached by myself, the release of any information could potentially jeopardize a future prosecution if evidence were developed to support one. It is not unusual to develop a viable prosecution late in an investigation when one was not contemplated earlier.

    The family and friends of the victims, the community and the general public have a right to expect that any decision to prosecute or not prosecute will be made only after all of the available evidence has been examined and considered and all leads suggested by the evidence have been adequately pursued. The Connecticut State Police, the Newtown Police Department and other state and federal law enforcement agencies are not only continuing to investigate, but are still in the process of compiling reports, statements from witnesses, and documenting, examining and testing physical and digital evidence that has been obtained. This process is very arduous and must be done carefully, accurately, and confidentially.

    At the same time, the investigators and myself are aware of the work some members of the public, the Governor and the General Assembly are trying to do. It is with that work in mind and our obligations to the investigation that the above statement regarding some facts of the case are described and only limited redactions to the search warrants and returns were requested. Additionally, recognizing the importance of the work of the Governor and the General Assembly, the Division of Criminal Justice through the Office of the State’s Attorney and the Office of the Chief State’s Attorney communicated with representatives of the Governor and the legislature to hear concerns regarding facts of the incident within the context of the ongoing criminal investigation.

    Recently, information purporting to relate to this investigation was published in the media attributed to a presentation at a law enforcement conference. To prevent such disclosure in the future, I have instructed that any and all such presentations involving evidence in the criminal investigation be ceased while the investigation is pending and my report is still outstanding.

    In not seeking to continue the complete sealing of all the search warrants and in providing the information above, this State’s Attorney, as well as the Connecticut State Police investigators, were mindful of the work our elected leaders are undertaking. After consultation with the investigators, it was decided that much of the information in the search warrants would not sought to be sealed and that the release of the above basic crime scene information would not jeopardize the active and continuing criminal investigation into this unprecedented tragedy.

    The released search warrants were obtained on December 14, 15, 16, 2012, within a short time of the shootings. Subsequent investigation revealed that shootings took place in two of the classrooms, not three, and that the shooter was not wearing a bullet-proof vest, nor was he a teenager. Paragraph 5 of the December 16, 2012, warrant contains excess verbiage that was the result of incorporating information from prior search warrants. Finally, page numbers on returns do not necessarily follow the page listed before them as the returns are prepared after the warrant has been executed. The officer filling out the return may have used different equipment for the form which may result in discrepancies in the page numbering for the returns.

    As mentioned, this is an active, ongoing investigation. No conclusions have been reached and no final determinations have been made. The estimation of completion in the summer remains. After the investigation is complete, I will prepare a report regarding the matter which will include an evaluation of the crimes committed and whether or not there will be any prosecutions as a result. Myself and the investigators ask that the investigative process be respected.

    Our sympathy for this tragedy continues to go out to the victims’ families, friends and the Newtown community. We continue to be grateful to those working with us on the investigation, the Newtown Police Department, the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, the United States Attorney’s Office, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the United States Marshal’s Service, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and all of the other local, state and federal agencies that have been working with the Connecticut State Police and the State’s Attorney’s Office involved in this investigation.

    -end-

    Content Last Modified on 3/28/2013 8:59:45 AM

  12. CNN has silently removed the assault camera from the story.

  13. ourrights says:

    If the check was unreadable they should have inserted a ? where they couldn’t read the letter, for example C?83 if it was a letter that was illegible they should have insert a (?), for example C1(?)83. Because they wrote C183 I am inclined to believe that what it said and everything else (firearm) was just poor conjecture, without much research behind it. And that’s sad considering how important this investigation is. I would now think the rest of the investigation is just as sloppy.

  14. UPDATE Thursday 8:16 PM EST:

    Now there is speculation by the GC cult that the C183 is actually a typo and was referring to the CZ-83 handgun. I have countered with the fact that an under 21-year old person cannot legally purchase a handgun in CT, and why oh why would his mother give him a check for an illegal handgun in the first place? I have been met with great mockery and resistance, naturally.

    • Ken says:

      You can find this review online:

      “The micro-sized .380s that have arrived on the scene in recent years have reduced dimensions to the point that they are difficult to control even for the most accomplished shooters. The CZ 83’s combination of small size and moderate weight easily handles the new generation of high-performance defensive ammo that has become available for ‘pocket’ pistol calibers from leading ammo manufacturers. The DA/SA trigger mechanism operates in the same manner as the CZ 75. The 83 can be carried ‘cocked and locked’ with the hammer back and the safety on for single action operation, or it may be manually decocked for hammer-down carry. When carried in the decocked position, the safety lever does not need to be de-activated, but instead the first shot is double action and subsequent shots are single action. The CZ 83 features an ambidextrous manual safety and magazine catch.

      “Along with its superior shootability, the 83 boasts twice the magazine capacity (12+1 in .380) of its tiny competitors.”

      I’m inclined to think it was for the camera not a lousy little pistol. Too bad they didn’t give the amount. Just sloppy police work.

  15. Chris W says:

    My major question is, What was a every day common home maker and working mother,(FEMALE) doing with an arsenal of guns,that only most professional’s or at least most men that really know their firearms would own, and why did she have so much ammunition stock piled in her home where knowing she had a mental son.If they had said she had an old single barrel J C Higgins,even a Remmington Speedmaster,or an Browning A-5, I might could swallow this story,But A Bushmaster, a Glock and a Sigg, C’mon, Where did she learn that much about guns and who taught her, Or who really owned the guns, and who really did the trigger pulling. Could it be someone else did the training, the convincing or even the trigger pulling. I don’t know, there is a lot about this situation that stinks to high heaven, and we the general public will never know. I feel sorry for the families and victims. But I do know how far the Goverment will go to get what they want.

    • Bitter says:

      My primary question centers around how an everyday common moron (MALE) is allowed unrestricted access to a keyboard and internet connection when he clearly has no basic understanding of how to use the English language without butchering it in a manner that is painful for anyone with even a junior high education to read.

      If someone told me that such a moron was allowed access to a pencil and wide-ruled paper only to be used in a classroom with an angry nun beating his knuckles every single time he misspelled a word or abused a comma, then I could believe it. But to believe that someone let this moron explore the internet without a filter, that’s just too far fetched. Where did he get access to a computer? Who really owned the keyboard? Who is paying for this moron to get online? I don’t know, but there is just so much to question about who would really trust their keyboard to such a sexist idiot who can’t even use commas and periods properly.

      In case the above moron (MALE) is confused, I’ll make it clear. I, a female gun owner and trained instructor who owns multiple firearms with many round of ammunition, am mocking you. I actually think the best part of your pathetic little rant is that you clearly have no idea how fundamentally stupid you truly come off in your comment. Perhaps if you actually paid attention to what the nice female teachers were trying to teach in school, you could form a complete sentence with a rational argument instead of attacking all women and assuming that we are inferior. I hope it leaves you quaking your oh-so-manly boots to think about the hundreds of women I have had the pleasure of teaching how to safely and responsibly handle firearms. Take your misogyny and find some other corner of the internet to infest. You’re not welcome on a site that promotes a woman’s involvement in the shooting sports and absolutely protects a woman’s right to self-defense with any firearm she chooses.

    • ChrisH says:

      What was a every day common home maker and working mother,(FEMALE) doing with an arsenal of guns,that only most professional’s or at least most men that really know their firearms would own

      Wtf? You mean Glocks, Sigs, and ARs are supposed to be some great secret? Yeah, it’s not like they aren’t the most popular firearms out there.

      Where did she learn that much about guns and who taught her

      While I’m not a female, I bet she learned the exact same way I did; I read lots, asked lots of questions, and generally did this thing called research.

    • Thomas says:

      Wow, Chris that reply is really inappropriate. Gender has nothing to do with ones ability to shoot firearms or desire to learn about firearms. Weather male or female, some one has to teach you when you first start and that is for anything.

      There is nothing odd about those weapons. They are very common. There is nothing odd about the amount of ammo found.

  16. Sebastian says:

    This thread will no longer be a forum for truthers. Take your whacky conspiracy theories elsewhere.

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