Call 911 for Medical Help, Get Arrested

What if someone stabs you in the neck in your own home? You might call 911 for assistance, right? Well, doing that will end up with the police breaking open your gun safe in New Jersey – just so they can see if you have anything they can nab you on, rather than the person who assaulted you.

That’s just what happened when a man called 911 after his wife stabbed him in the neck. They police demanded that he open the safes so they could remove his securely stored firearms. He didn’t cooperate, so they called in a crew to force them open and then arrested him for having too much black powder and ammunition, according to the article. The police also admit that they aren’t closely cataloging the guns, just tossing them in barrels and they’ll get around to it later.

27 Responses to “Call 911 for Medical Help, Get Arrested”

  1. aerodawg says:

    Well, we are talking about the same state that thinks it’s more of a crime to inadvertently carry a firearm into the state from a neighboring state than it is to intentionally beat your wife out of her senses….

  2. RAH says:

    Calling the cops to handle a possible suicide will often end up as a homicide with cops shooting the suicidal person

  3. RAH says:

    It is getting to the point do not ever call 911 since the results are worse. If you need medical help go in the car to the hospital. If it is fire that you are already at the worse situation.

  4. John A says:

    Perhaps a “cooling off” removal of weapons in a domestic fracas for 24 – 48 hours is a good idea, perhaps not: as well as removing temptation, it also removes self-defense capabilities. But I doubt the firearms will be returned for months, if at all, and in any case will probably be stored and cared for as carefully as an equivalent weight of cinder blocks.

    I wonder why he mentioned his gun safes, and why only two of the five?

    • Rob Crawford says:

      Given they were his firearms and HE was the one attacked, what they did was disarm the victim of an attempted homicide.

  5. wizardpc says:

    It is standard procedure to remove guns from homes in domestic violence cases, but Kugler said Lintner “has not wanted to cooperate with our removing the guns from the house,” precipitating the cracking of the vaults.

    It’s standard procedure to completely disarm victims of domestic violence?!?! WHAT?!?!

    • Archer says:

      It’s standard procedure to completely disarm everybody who interacts with the police, for any reason.

      If the PTB in NJ had their way, it’d be standard procedure to completely disarm everybody… period.

  6. KM says:

    By nightfall, the incident had sparked a brief neighborhood evacuation around the couple’s 313 Washington St. home because of the weapons stored there, police removal of a large amount of black gunpowder and ammunition

    The neighbors apparently weren’t in danger from the guns before, so at least the cops are acknowledging that when THEY handle firearms and powder it isn’t safe.

  7. RP says:

    New Jersey is becoming an authoritarian dystopia. At least for gun owners.

  8. rightwingwacko says:

    For this reason, my gun safe is in a location that would not be found by a quick cursory search of the premises.

    A more detailed search would of course find it… Perhaps I should fix that.

  9. Michael says:

    Is there really a law in NJ that allows this, or is it just ‘standard procedure’? Either way, it seems like it would be ripe for a legal challenge.

  10. ASM826 says:

    So, are you saying that he shouldn’t have been married to a crazy woman or that he shouldn’t have been living in New Jersey?

  11. Ian Argent says:

    “Township Police Chief Robert Kugler said investigators expected to find more than 100 long and short guns, which would be brought out in barrels overnight and that ”they will be identified and catalogued at a later date.”

    There was no initial indication that the weapons and ammunition are illegal, he said.”

    So you confiscated items that you yourself said you didn’t have RAS to confiscate? Hello? (also, doesn’t match the first para)

    • Archer says:

      Reasonable, articulable suspicion? Is firearm > Is New Jersey > Is RAS, courts be damned.

      “Expected to find” is an interesting thing, too. It’s at least as interesting as how they describe what they do find.

      “Expected to find more than 100 long and short guns…” What on Earth would make them expect that? Are there any bets they actually find fewer than a dozen? I mean, most people I know with “21-gun” safes don’t actually have 21 guns in their safes; more like 8-10 (or fewer), plus accessories and/or ammo, and other non-firearm-related items valuable enough to be worth locking up.

      Furthermore, any bets that regardless of what they do find, it gets exaggerated into an “arsenal,” which the police credit themselves with “taking off the street”?

      • Ian Argent says:

        Expected to find is easy – the NJSP have a record of all firearms purchases by NJ residents; either via the permit to purchase a handgun or a record of sale required for all longarm purchases to be submitted by the seller.

        Anyone know what the federal limit on storing black posder before one must register with the BATFE is?

        • rightwingwacko says:

          It depends on what you are using the black power for. If it’s for use in traditional black powder firearms, I believe the limit is 50lbs, and it must be stored in the original container.

          For any other purpose, the answer is zero, one must have a LEUP (Low Explosives User Permit) including an approved magazine for storage which cannot be in your or anyone elses house (although a detached garage is acceptable).

          For example say I fly high-power model rockets for which Black Powder charges are used (very small ones) for reciovery deployment events. Even a single 5gram charge requires that I have a LEUP to store it.

          • Brad says:

            50! pounds? You’re lucky.

            Here in commiefornia the black powder limit is one. pound. 1!

        • Persiflage says:

          First off, do we reliably know it was old-fashioned “black powder”, or merely black-colored modern smokeless propellant powder?

          I would guess rational restrictions would allow considerably less storage of the former, and more of the latter, based on their chemical, ignition, and burn properties.

          I seem to recall something from the distant past that allowed personal storage of up to 50 pounds of modern propellant powder, as long as it was stored in its original DOT-approved shipping packaging.

          I don’t know about the restrictions on personal storage of “black powder”- but I’m guessing a lot less than 50 pounds.

  12. Robert says:

    When we were up in Newtown on vacation last weekend, my wife wondered why I didn’t want to drive over to New Jersey….

  13. Chris from AK says:

    I hope those in occupied territories like CT, NY, etc are watching.

  14. TS says:

    How much do you want to bet the same people who say the second amendment only protects muskets will flip out over people storing more than a few onces of black powder?

  15. Maxwell says:

    I had a bicycle stolen a few years back. Called police (not 911) to make a report. Cop shows up, runs my license, starts asking me if I had any tattoos, distinguishing marks, wants/warrants…and that’s as far as it got. I informed him that I hadn’t stolen my own bike, and I’d deal with it myself.
    But hey, it’s just the one percent making the 99 look bad, right?
    Last time I call the cops, for anything. I don’t want to be friends, I don’t want to talk to them, I have a policy of total avoidance if reasonably possible. They are NOT on my side.

  16. Andrew says:

    In New Jersey, I believe even BB Guns need a gun license, so they’ll know what he has. Probably not down to the round per ammunition though, but guns at least.

    I’d bet he gets his guns back looking like they were in a backyard, and the ammunition doesn’t get returned at all.

    • Ian Argent says:

      Permit to purchase handguns, a report of long arm purchase sent to the NJSP upon purchase by the seller. No license or record of ownership required, though there is a “voluntary” registry for purchases not done as an NJ resident.
      Handgun ammo purchased at an FFL is logged in a book, don’t know if/how that’s submitted to the authorities.

  17. Scott says:

    To gun owners in NJ, CT, NY, MA (and maybe CA too) –

    Get. Out. Now.


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