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Way to Win Friends

I may have my disagreements with Clayton on a lot of social issues, but if this is what passes for reasoned discourse among Idaho progressives, no wonder it’s a Republican dominated state.  I sincerely hope this site isn’t run by grown adults.

16 Responses to “Way to Win Friends”

  1. straightarrow says:

    I don’t think adults could be involved unless they are the dumbest sonsofbitches in Idaho.

  2. thirdpower says:

    Hell, take a look at all the “progressives” on DU. It’s one insult fest after another and you’re banned if you don’t walk in lockstep w/ the agenda.

  3. Just goes to show, no particular idealogy has the corner on the asshole market. Clayton says some pretty off color stuff and he’s probably not really in a position to be griping about people saying mean things, but as a weenie lib who posts on DKos, has been banned from DU several times, and seen his posts zapped on other so called progressive sites…believe me, I know what it’s like to see that sort of nonsense.

  4. K-Romulus says:

    Sheesh . . I thought the MD Dems were often pretty bad . . . .

  5. I wish that I could say that the example above is unusual in its intemperateness. For example, see here for the remarks of Ron Grant, the son of Larry Grant, the supposedly “moderate Democrat” who ran for Idaho Congressional District 1 last year.

    A lot of other “progressive” sorts in Idaho aren’t content with nasty insults. For example here are links to a news story about the sons of Idaho State Senator Burkett (a Democrat) who were arrested for vandalizing a display of American flags at the state capitol honoring our fallen soldiers.

  6. Binkyboy says:

    You think I want to make nice nice friends with assholes like Cramer? A man who brags about the 2nd Amendment so he can scare people with the fact he owns guns? A man that thinks debunking scientific theories that are overwhelmingly accepted is fun and entertaining?

    I just thank you for the extra few hits.

  7. “You think I want to make nice nice friends with assholes like Cramer? A man who brags about the 2nd Amendment so he can scare people with the fact he owns guns?”

    There are days that I wonder if BinkyBoy even lives in Idaho–where gun ownership is the norm, not the exception. A few years back, I suggested to one of my legislators that a drunk driving conviction should be a disqualifier for a concealed carry permit, at least for several years, because it shows a negligence about dangerous machinery–and my legislator refused to even consider adopting such a restrictive gun control measure.

    “A man that thinks debunking scientific theories that are overwhelmingly accepted is fun and entertaining?”

    The problem is that the theory isn’t overwhelmingly accepted even by scientists who are working that field, and there is quite a bit of evidence that says the theory is at least overstated, and perhaps completely wrong.

  8. Sebastian says:

    BinkyBoy,

    I’m not suggesting that you be friends with Clayton, I’m suggesting that someone else coming along, who may be unfamiliar with your causes, will see that and be turned off to the whole message. If you disagree with Clayton, then engage him. If you just sit off and fling poo, how can you expect anyone to take your arguments seriously?

  9. Binkyboy says:

    Clayton doesn’t “engage”. He just states, without justification, things as facts and then ignores any other data. It’s impossible to have a discussion with him.

    Take for instance his recent statement:
    “The problem is that the theory isn’t overwhelmingly accepted even by scientists who are working that field, and there is quite a bit of evidence that says the theory is at least overstated, and perhaps completely wrong.”

    Well, name them. Now lets compare that to the list of Steve’s, or shall we overwhelmingly compare it to the list of climate scientists that have peer reviewed documentation proving the existence of global warming? Then we can just watch him ignore those facts and keep yelling about a measurement station too close to the sun’s cyclical bullshit.

    As well, have any of you actually READ the article or are you too damn stupid and ready to attack anyone you believe to be liberal? Have you read Sadly, No!? Have you looked at their readership and their content? Same as mine, no difference. It’s all about style, and you may disagree with mine, but I really don’t care.

    I go after liars. There is no discussion with them. Clayton happens to be one and he can continue to bear the brunt of my aggression until such time as he apologizes and stops being a damn fool.

  10. Sebastian says:

    Sometimes you can’t convince someone that they’re wrong. In which case, you agree to disagree, and be done with it. Why the need for the personal attacks? It’s juvenile.

  11. “Clayton doesn’t “engage”. He just states, without justification, things as facts and then ignores any other data. It’s impossible to have a discussion with him.”

    It sounds like you haven’t actually read anything that I have written on my blog, then. I link to a great many articles, many of them in peer-reviewed journals, about the problems with the AGW claim.

    If you actually read what I wrote, it wasn’t just one surface station too close to an air conditioner–it was one of many such reporting stations with severe problems–like being at the end of a jet runway! Next to a barbecue. A station whose temperature readings rose dramatically at the same time an apartment building was built next to it. A station next to a burning barrel. And there are lots of such situations.

    The fact is that BinkyBoy can’t seem to read anything I write without having a tantrum.

  12. Binkyboy says:

    Clayton, I’ve read them and usually debunked them, or ignored them because they’ve been debunked in so many other places. As for peer reviewed? Where? Who? Not many from what I’ve seen. Most of what you’ve linked to have been put into the press without any peer review process by questionable sources that end up being traced to oil companies.

    You act as if these monitoring stations were the end all measurement and you ignore everything else. Temperature data by satellites is actually far more valuable. Vanishing ice caps, vanishing glaciers, increasing pools on arctic ice and changes in mean ocean temperatures causing shifts in weather patterns that carry moisture and cooler air to land masses. All of these things are documented and you ignore them instead going for easy points like the monitoring stations that are only a minor portion of data gathering.

    It’s like you have the intelligence of a leech, unable to let go of something even though its slowly killing you.

  13. Binkyboy says:

    Oh, and Clayton, by continuing to only call it Global Warming, you make yourself look ridiculous. It’s global climate change, and is reflected by a gradual rising in worldwide temperature and by extreme changes in climate patterns.

  14. Sebastian says:

    Global Warming is so 1990 Clayton. Geez… get with the program already.

  15. “Clayton doesn’t ‘engage’. He just states, without justification, things as facts and then ignores any other data.”

    I went through some of BinkyBoy’s posts on Clayton, and I didn’t see BB offering up justification for any of his accusations. Practice what you preach, dude. And immersing youself in vulgar ad hominem attacks isn’t a good way to get people to take you seriously. Except for vulgar and spiteful people who already agree with you.

  16. That should be “Except *by* vulgar and spiteful people …”

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