Democratic lawmakers in both house of the legislature have struck a deal that would allow passage of a measure restricting gun owners to a 10-round
magazine, down from the current limit of 15, two sources with knowledge of the
deal said today.In exchange, the legislature will shepherd through a gun-owner championed bill that would define what are known in the gun world as “reasonable deviations” to the law governing transport of a firearm.
Currently a gun owner may only transport an unloaded, stored weapon straight to the destination, be it on a hunting trip or to a gun range. Under the law, a gun owner may detour from the route only for deviations that are “reasonable.”
So in exchange for something that they should just give us, because it’s a right, you know, they go from 15 to 10? No deal. Kill it with fire. I believe the purpose of this is to tempt Chris Christie to ruin his own national ambitions. The Democrats probably feel they have nothing to lose. If Christie signs the bill, he’ll create the same problems with the base that McCain and Romney had. If he vetoes, Democrats in New Jersey believe gun control wins elections, so they will make an issue out of it in the next Governor’s race. The Dems believe they have everything to gain and Christie everything to lose. But will he be dumb enough to sign it if he wants to run for the GOP nod for 2016?
THIS is why we oppose magazine limits. Every time someone says “10 rounds are enough” I point out that when something bad happens, and unfortunately, it will, people are going to call for 7 rounds, or 5 rounds.
Knew a guy who went thru 50 in one incident. 3 perps hiding in shadows/bushes decided to use him as target practice as he stood in a lit parking lot at night.
Problem with subjective limits is the “brick wall effect” is an objective reality: when you run out, you’re done/dead. An empty mag in dire need is a bad time for an upstanding citizen to argue subjective semantics with the legislature.
Is he stupid enough? Of course, he’s a member of the Stupid Party.
That’s not exactly a winning deal to brag about on the stump.
The firearms transportation “eases” are only an issue because NJ has just about the most insane and restrictive transport laws in the country.
In all but a handful of states the “pro” side of this “deal” would be far far worse than the status quo.
Here’s how bad this deal is. A “comprimise” bill that offers Shall Issue in exchange for an AWB would have better play and be an imporvement in more states.
10 rounds??? Should be a 9 round maximum! Don’t they care about the children? Arbitrarily reducing magazine capacity will totally save lives!
As a lame duck governor, he has no incentive to sign it. He’ll only be considering the consequences on 2016 (or whatever his ambitions are).
And as far as using it in the next election for Governor, is this really going to stick to an as-yet unknown candidate 3+ years from now? Hell, the next GOP candidate for gov could be one of the RINO schmucks voting in favor of the bill. And if the next GOP Gubernatorial candidate is conservative enough to oppose gun control, he probably has little to no chance of winning in NJ anyway.
NJ gun owners: take your friends and family shooting. Politics won’t change until the culture does.
And as an aside, wouldn’t this bill give NJ better transportation laws than PA (for non-LTCF holders)? That would be an embarrassment.
My analysis would be, that perhaps the Democrats think that when all the truth outs about the Fort Lee “traffic study,” Captain Cheeseburger will have blown his 2016 chances anyway, and he knows that’s coming. So, he will go for a policy he really supports and wants to see anyway, while at the same time pursuing the remote chance of gaining some favor with an anti-gun constituency, for when he leaves the governors office.
Christie has no chance anyway. No one west of Jersey will vote for him, except maybe those democrats that vote in the republican primary to make sure we select someone they can beat.
They said the same thing about Mitt Romney.
And they were right, in the end.
“democrats that vote in the republican primary to make sure we select someone they can beat.”
No need. The Republicans seem completely capable of doing that themselves.
Perhaps in exchange for easing travel restrictions, the pro-gun movement should offer to lift ALL magazine restrictions. After all, the anti-gunners have been offering the choice between crap and s*it for decades.
The “gun people” in NJ are going to do exactly what the “gun people” in Connecticut and New York have recently done: IGNORE THE LAW!
We have learned (sometimes the hard way) that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the law-abiding citizen to comply with NJ’s byzantine gun control laws. No matter how hard you try to comply with the “latest” gun law (that will surely save millions of lives), our politicians can find another way to try to deny citizen’s rights.
WE WILL NOT COMPLY!!
That’s easy enough to say until some people get persecuted and prosecuted with the full force and vigor of the righteous state. The prosecutions will cost them fortunes, they’ll lose their jobs, their businesses, sometimes everything. There’s a reason the gun control nazis love turning law-abiding people into felons. They can prosecute them and cow their neighbors. Slowly, to be sure, but surely nonetheless.
“The Democrats have reached a deal that would reduce the number of magazines allowed from 15 to 10 in New Jersey”
Just a heads up, but I think you meant “reduce the maximum legal magazine capacity from 15 to 10″.
Then again, it’s New Jersey. Maybe they are proposing to reduce the number of magazines for the entire state of New Jersey.
The LawDog‘s old cake analogy seems more and more apt everyday…
Let’s say I have this cake. It is a very nice cake, with “GUN RIGHTS” written across the top in lovely floral icing. Along you come and say, “Give me that cake.”
I say, “No, it’s my cake.”
You say, “Let’s compromise. Give me half.” I respond by asking what I get out of this compromise, and you reply that I get to keep half of my cake.
Yes, he is stupid enough to bite, because Christie is not really a conservative: he’s a RINO, and as such, he has pretty much lost the conservative base before he even runs. I also don’t think that Christie truly believes in the RKBA.
As Governor of New Jersey, Christie has had to make so many compromises with a liberal state legislature, that he is tainted in conservative circles, much like Romney was tainted.
The Republican establishment is out of touch with the base of the party, which is why they nominated Romney, and which is why the base stayed home.
Note to establishment: stop nominating candidates that had to compromise themselves during their terms as Governor. Note to base: turn out and vote, even if you don’t like the guy: the alternatives are worse.
I held my nose and voted for Romney, and I would do do again for Christie, but Scott Walker of Wisconsin would be a better choice.
“Note to base: turn out and vote, even if you don’t like the guy: the alternatives are worse.”
NO
That’s how we got to where we are now. That’s how the slope starts, and continues. Those f’ing idiots in the GOP leadership need to learn that the party is DEAD due to their choices. Now it is Lazarus time.
From So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish by Douglas Adams:
[An extraterrestrial robot and spaceship has just landed on earth. The robot steps out of the spaceship…]
“I come in peace,” it said, adding after a long moment of further grinding, “take me to your Lizard.”
Ford Prefect, of course, had an explanation for this, as he sat with Arthur and watched the nonstop frenetic news reports on television, none of which had anything to say other than to record that the thing had done this amount of damage which was valued at that amount of billions of pounds and had killed this totally other number of people, and then say it again, because the robot was doing nothing more than standing there, swaying very slightly, and emitting short incomprehensible error messages.
“It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see…”
“You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?”
“No,” said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, “nothing so simple. Nothing anything like to straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.”
“Odd,” said Arthur, “I thought you said it was a democracy.”
“I did,” said ford. “It is.”
“So,” said Arthur, hoping he wasn’t sounding ridiculously obtuse, “why don’t the people get rid of the lizards?”
“It honestly doesn’t occur to them,” said Ford. “They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.”
“You mean they actually vote for the lizards?”
“Oh yes,” said Ford with a shrug, “of course.”
“But,” said Arthur, going for the big one again, “why?”
“Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard,” said Ford, “the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?”
“What?”
“I said,” said Ford, with an increasing air of urgency creeping into his voice, “have you got any gin?”
“I’ll look. Tell me about the lizards.”
Ford shrugged again.
“Some people say that the lizards are the best thing that ever happened to them,” he said. “They’re completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone’s got to say it.”
Go ahead, suffer Cuomo’s fate.
Lamomt: what fate has Cuomo suffered? Cuomo wears gunnies hate like a badge of honor.
He slit his own throat politically. Governor of New York is the highest elected office he will ever hold. At the national level, he’s pure poison for the Democrats, as a result of the NY SAFE Act. Not just for what it *DOES*, but for the manner in which it was passed into law: It was written in secret, introduced to the State Senate with a bogus “Letter of Necessity” to side-step the normal 3 business day comment period between introduction and voting. It was introduced in a late-night session of the NYS Senate, ramming it through before they had a chance to fully digest what it does. There was less than an hour between the introduction of the 40 page law and the vote. It was then introduced to the Assembly the next morning and Cuomo signed it into law roughly 19 hours after it first saw the light of day.
He *OWNS* it, it was his from the very beginning, and pretty much every county north of Westchester has passed resolutions against it, and many police agencies have refused to actively enforce it.
There is almost zero chance he’ll get nominated for president by the Democrats, and if by some miracle that happened (Maybe the Dems run Hitler and Pol Pot?), all the Republicans would have to do is run ads about the NY SAFE Act in states that lean democratic, but which have a large contingent of rural democrats. Maybe throw in his “Confiscation could be an option” quote.
The result would be a landslide for the Republicans, and the Democrats *KNOW* it. He is forever poison at the national level.
He is Governor of NJ, not NY. That’s bad enough but even Christie is not and insidiously seditionist as Cuomo. There’s an order of magnitude difference. Not to defend the indefensible… just sayin’. The Cuomo clan is at the very top of the seditionist heap – right there slitherin around among the Obamas and Clintons and the like. Christie is just a garden variety statist in RINO clothing.
I apologize. I was reading the comments backwards and thought you were confusing Christie with Cuomo or NJ with NY.
So nomen est omen?
Heh. No worries.
“Is Christie stupid enough to ______?”
“Yes.”
I’m often guilty of it myself, but, never assume your opponent is “stupid.” Christie is an otherwise garden-variety hack who managed to work his way to within a shot of the presidency. Odds are his venality will do him in, now or later, but he didn’t make it as far as he did by being stupid.
I think the real question is, “Are you really stupid enough to vote for him?”
Christie will pass any shred of gun control he can get away with. And he will use the full force and weight of the state to punish any gun owner in any way that can be conjured or otherwise trumped up.
If Chris Christie was really that much of an anti-gunner, he would have never agreed to commute Brian Aitken’s seven-year prison sentence for that trumped up case against Brian Aitken in Mount Laurel, New Jersey. I would not say that Chris Christie is all that much of a pro-gunner, either though.
Ronnie, don’t believe the governor is anything but anti-gun. Look at the adds he ran as prosecutor:
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Jeff O, that link you posted there shows Chris Christie’s anti-gun stance in 1995, which was when he affirmed his support for the New Jersey “assault weapon” ban which had been passed just five years previously. Chris Christie was probably just doing some political posturing at this time, being that New Jersey was just as much of an anti-gun state in 1995 as it is now. Since 1995, New Jersey has had at least two Democrat governors – Jim McGreevey and Jon Corzine – who were much bigger anti-gunners than Chris Christie by comparison, when you consider the type of anti-gun laws that both of them signed off on while in office. Don’t get me wrong now, I have never believed that Chris Christie is a strong defender of the Second Amendment, but Chris Christie has not been anywhere as nearly as much of a threat to the diminished Second Amendment rights of New Jersey’s residents, either. The Democrats of New Jersey have always had that distinction as far as I would say.
Chris Christie has not been anywhere as nearly as much of a threat to the diminished Second Amendment rights of New Jersey’s residents
I lived in NY during the rise & betrayal of Gov. Pataki. The Right rallied behind him as better than his opponent on gun laws, sweeping him into office as a protector of liberty. He then gave us the strictest gun control laws in the country including the still-present AWB. Had his opponent won, and pursued the exact same legislation the exact same way, such infringements would NOT have happened precisely because of political affiliation, garnering automatic opposition instead of automatic support.
The Left can get more anti-RKBA legislation passed in NJ via Christie than any (D) because, being sympathetic to such prohibitions, he can raise bipartisan support and get more anti-RKBA votes than any (D) could hope for.
In my book, “bipartisan support” equals a capitulation to whatever the liberal statists want at the time.
The root problem is that the GOP in New York and New Jersey don’t embrace RKBA issues. They aren’t interesting in cultivating gun owners as a constituency.
It’s not the terminology he would have used, but I can remember that my father had pegged NJ as an extremely “statist” state, with a statist-accepting population, more than 60 years ago, and he probably thought that before I was born.
I’ve wondered if that somehow dates back all the way to 1794, when George Washington used mostly New Jersey militia to crush the Whiskey Rebellion, and the Jerseyites were reportedly enthusiastic to do it.
New York has long dubbed itself “The Empire State”. Seems they’re not kidding.