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Reciprocity Agreements Tweaked With Other States

Sorry for not noticing this, but it would seem our anti-gun Attorney General, Kathleen Kane, has revised our reciprocity agreements with Virginia and Arizona. If you hold a non-resident permit from either of these states, you can no longer carry in Pennsylvania. If you’re from out of state, and not a resident of a reciprocal state, or you’re a PA resident in Philly [Looks like Utah requires a license from your home state before they’ll issue], and you can’t get an LTC because you forgot to pay a parking ticket or had a gun stolen once (two real cases), I would suggest looking into the Utah permit. Utah is recognized by Pennsylvania through statute, meaning Kane has no power to dinker with any agreement. You need to find a Utah certified instructor, but the State of Utah provides a convenient list. There are a number of instructors in Pennsylvania, and it’s a very widely recognized permit by other states.

21 Responses to “Reciprocity Agreements Tweaked With Other States”

  1. Utah has changed their laws and will not issue a Utah CHP if you don’t have one from your home state.

    I guess it’s time to start beating Philly up until they follow the law.

  2. Saratoga says:

    Thank you very much for the important update and great advice.

  3. Greg says:

    Yep. I believe it’s been that way for at least a year now.

  4. brian says:

    The only way to beat Philly is to also permit PSP to issue the LCTFs.

  5. ExurbanKevin says:

    Pennsylvania probably dropped reciprocity with Arizona for the same reason Nevada did: An Arizona CCW permit no longer requires live-fire training, and that upsets the squares.

    • Bryan S. says:

      No, she dropped it because that allows law abiding free people, usually of a color other than white, who reside in a city of no class, to work around the “character” clause.

      Philly thinks it is Harrisburg.

    • HSR47 says:

      No, that has nothing to do with it.

      The fee for the LTCF is fixed by statute at $20 dollars, and about all you need to do is fill out a form (it’s fairly similar to ATF form 4473; PDF linked below) have your picture taken, and wait for them to get you your card.

      Some municipalities add extra “requirements,” and some have a history of charging more than the law allows; Neither is legal, and at least the latter has largely been corrected.

      Furthermore, the process of delivering the actual LTCF card varies widely; Some municipalites issue them pretty much immediately (as in, same day, same visit), others mail them out after a few weeks, and some wait as long as the law allows (45 business days) before instructing the applicant to come in and pick the card up in person.

      http://www.chesco.org/DocumentCenter/View/8725

    • HSR47 says:

      Furthermore, our AG is basically a Bloomberg plant.

  6. Ursa Ele says:

    I still do not understand why some people think it is OK for some people to decide on their own if they are going to pay parking tickets or not while the rest of us obey the traffic and parking laws and pay the fines when we get tickets. I am trying to understand why someone who ignores the laws and rules of society should be permitted to carry a gun. I can’t figure it out.

    It is not that hard to qualify for a PA LTCF. If you qualify but can not get one issued to you by the City of Philadelphia, you need to get a lawyer and go to court. Until a PA court issues orders correcting the foot-dragging by the PPD, the situation there will never change, so stop complaining and looking for work-arounds and get a lawyer and go get your day in court.

    If the PPD determines that you do not qualify because you are not a good citizen of high moral character (because you choose to park where you want and then ignore the tickets) you have two choices: 1. Realize that you don’t follow the laws and hence are not actually qualified for a LTCF, or 2. Get a lawyer and convince a PA judge that unpaid parking tickets are the “no big deal” that you think they are.

    • Bryan S. says:

      Because no one ever had a parking ticket issued to them incorrectly, or issued and then blown away.

      My father has an issue where the registration sticker sits just so that a lazy meter reader mistook a D for a U. Do the guy out there with that plate, which is possible, has a ticket on his record.

      (And that ticket, which was recent, happened to be issued incorrectly because of one of those group parking meters)

    • Patrick H says:

      I still do not understand why some people think it is OK for some people to decide on their own if they are going to pay parking tickets or not while the rest of us obey the traffic and parking laws and pay the fines when we get tickets. I am trying to understand why someone who ignores the laws and rules of society should be permitted to carry a gun. I can’t figure it out.

      I don’t understand why people think that parking tickets or other reasons that aren’t in the statute are ok reasons to disallow a LTCF. Or that we even should have to have licenses to carry.

      And it IS hard to qualify for a PA LTCF in Philly. That’s the whole problem, and that’s why they get out of state permits. You are asking people who don’t have a lot of money to get a lawyer and fight for something they shouldn’t have to fight for. We will continue to complain until the legislature fixes this issue. Not paying parking tickets is not a indication of moral issues, especially because it can be debated whether parking tickets should exist at all.

      So get off your damn elitist horse and stop blaming the victims here.

    • J says:

      The Second Amendment doesn’t say crap about parking tickets. Are you really trying to say that someone who doesn’t pay a parking ticket should be denied the means to defend themselves?

  7. Tango says:

    I am a Utah CFP instructor and most of the above is true. Utah will not issue you a Utah non-resident permit UNLESS… you have your home state’s permit first. This is ONLY required if your state recognizes Utah’s permit. If you live in a lovely place like IL, NY, NJ, CA, etc… then you do NOT need your home state’s permit!

    If you ever find yourself in Utah, look me up. I’ll teach your class on very short notice in the location of your choice, including my own house if you’d like. Give me 3 hours and I’ll stamp your app.

    • J says:

      Thanks. This is what grassroots are made of. If you’re ever in Kansas City, I’d love to buy you the beverage of your choice.

  8. NUGUN Blog says:

    !@#$ Thank Twitt Romney for Citizen Kane. And the dumb “all in” campaign. You don’t go all in on a losing horse.

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