I’m told it’s being covered on C-Span. Note this is just a motion to proceed, which allows debate and the amendment process to go forward. If they come up with the votes to proceed, it does not necessarily follow that they come up with the votes to invoke cloture to end debate on the final bill and vote on it.
UPDATE: 68-31, the Motion is agreed to. S.649 moves forward.
UPDATE: Reid is pleading that there be no filibusters on every amendment. I guess they can filibuster amendments. I fully expect Senators to filibuster any gun control if that’s what it takes to stop it.
UPDATE: Reid motions to adjourn for a joint caucus meeting. They will reconvene at 2:30. That’s when the fun will start.
UPDATE: Everyone needs to take a deep breath and calm down. The cloture vote on the Motion to Proceed is not a big deal. All this means is that the bill is now on the floor, and open for debate and Amendment. A lot of politicians on both sides want recorded votes on this issue to be posted for various, and often opposite reasons. Obviously, we’d prefer to stop it every step of the way, but political animals will be what they are.
Luckily we have many more opportunities to defeat this bill. We must fight.
Here is the list of yes’s (I think I’m missing one though)
Alexander
Ayotte
Burr
Chambliss
Coburn
Collins
Corker
Flake
Graham
Hoeven
Isakson
Kirk
McCain
Toomey
Wicker
Patrick,
I was listening/watching but do you have a link where the official Cloture votes are?
Got the official Repub Traders…:
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/293283-in-vote-senate-moves-forward-with-gun-control-legislation
The sixteen Republicans who voted to proceed were Sens. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), Richard Burr (N.C.), Saxby Chambliss (Ga.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), Susan Collins (Maine). Bob Corker (Tenn.), Jeff Flake (Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (S.C.), Dean Heller (Nev.), John Hoeven (N.D.), Johnny Isakson (Ga.), Mark Kirk (Ill.), John McCain (Ariz.), Pat Toomey (Pa.) and Roger Wicker (Miss.).
Only 2 Dems voted Nay on Cloture…from the same article as above…
“Sixteen Republicans voted in favor of the motion, while two Democrats — both from states President Obama lost in the 2012 election, voted against it. The two Democrats were Sens. Mark Begich (Alaska) and Mark Pryor (Ark.), both of whom face reelection next year.”
Adam,
Thanks for the link. Much needed.
From article Adam linked:
“It would require background checks for all firearm sales at gun shows and over the Internet, except for those between friends and acquaintances.”
Hey, guess what, then? I am friends with ALL gun owners in America, so lucky me, no background checks are needed. Ain’t that good news?
Let’s do some business, shall we?
All,
Take full note of how your Senator or other Senators voted today and will vote on the Schumer-Manchin-Toomey amendment and everything else that is presented (Feinstein Amendment, etc.)
There are some vulnerable Senators coming and in the future the RINO’s (McCain, etc.) should be primaried out…!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_Senators
Adam,
Already on it. After this passes, no matter what, names will be named and people will have their feelings hurt.
You betcha.
this has the makings of a double cross all over it. we should accept no compromise. give them nothing, take from them everything!
The cloture vote here doesn’t mean much. A lot of Republicans want to get red-state Democrats on record, and get themselves on record, so be able to use the votes for political purposes. Just because they voted for cloture on the motion to proceed doesn’t say anything about how they’ll vote on amendments, or vote on final cloture.
Yeah that’s a good point. Even Toomey said he might not vote yes on the final bill.
There is a very good reason that the language was not released, and that’s because they know that we will not be okay with it. Not only will it not be somewhat reasonable, but be fully prepared to have it drive a hard shaft up our collective @*$. It’s like Republicans have never played chess or something. Giving in a little bit to what the antis want, without giving us ANYTHING we want in return is not called compromise, it’s called CAPITULATION, or death by 1000 cuts.
So in exchange for Bloomberg maybe backing down next year, Toomey just gave himself a primary fight that he will likely lose. Are these people completely retarded? The anti-gun vote does not really exists as a block. The pro-gun vote definitely does. It’s like these people have forgotten what happened in 2010 already. Lord help us all…
THIS^^^
if we let them take a little bit now. next massacre. THEY WILL TRY AGAIN TO GET MORE and so on! Eventually we will be left with NOTHING!
No compromise! No political victories for Obama, Democrats and RINOS.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/293283-in-vote-senate-moves-forward-with-gun-control-legislation
It’s in there word for word:
“It would require background checks for all firearm sales at gun shows and over the Internet, except for those between friends and acquaintances.â€
This means that the have now labeled private sales as “internet sales” and that you can’t sell to someone who is not an “acquaintance”. Don’t worry, there will be plenty of onerous language as to what constitutes an “acquaintance”…
How does “The Hill” know? Have they seen the bill?
Is this a bill or an Amendment? The linked article uses both words.
Sorry, it’s an Amendment. I should have said Amendment, but it will presumably gut and replace S.649 and thus become “The Bill”
You have a point, but Washington being the center of power that it is, there are plenty of groupies with connections around. My gut instinct tells me with the way that Toomey lied to his constituents, and how they are avoiding releasing the language of it, it is strongly not in our favor.
They keep talking about “internet sales.” They are buffoons, but they are not complete morons. They are well aware that real “internet sales” have to be delivered to your FFL. What they are trying to do is change the name of the game. Instead of trying to ban “private sales,” they are creating a new boogieman in “internet sales,” which will prevent you from buying from even free classified ads (does Armslist charge for listings? I’ve only bought.) from someone you don’t know. Next time around, they’ll come for the family exception, even though the bloody shirt du jour will have nothing to do with that (just like right now).
The bozos we get on TV are useful idiots. The real cunnning SOBs are the ones that draft the bills like the MAIG one that enabled the police to inspect your home for the “securing” of firearms, in blatant violation of the 4th Amendment.
I’m making my prediction:
The Senate will pass the draconian gun law being presented. Betrayals will occur. The Newtown bored housewives will all scream and cry in joy, the Democrats will snicker and gloat, and the President will dismiss the Newtown families faster than he dismissed all discussion on Fast & Furious. America, tomorrow morning, will be a different America than the one we have today. And not in a good way.
I hope I’m wrong, but…
As Sebastian properly identified earlier this year; this is a culture war. They want our kind to disappear, and they will take every incremental measure they can get in order to achieve that goal. I suspect that the old guard RINOs (McCain et al.) will be the ones to sell us down the river. Good luck next year gentlemen.
Well, at least 2 of the 16 are a waste of space (RINOs Collins and Kirk), so let’s see how the other 14 plan on Voting.
Though I feel good knowing that my Only Republican Senator (from Ohio) voted NO.
The pro-gunners had better try and attach reciprocity and other goodies to the bill and get them on the record voting against it.
This bodes well for Alaska’s team. Murkowski-(R_eally kinda moderate) was my worry, Begich-(D_oing his best to stay in office) I was confident would hold. I’ll send them both an atta boy.
Yep, I’m thanking them, too.
Murk’s been very wishy-washy on this whole thing.
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