Comments on: Seattle Residents: The Starbucks Saga Continues http://www.pagunblog.com/2010/03/03/seattle-residents-its-a-good-day-for-some-starbucks/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:52:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Drang http://www.pagunblog.com/2010/03/03/seattle-residents-its-a-good-day-for-some-starbucks/#comment-58186 Drang Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:56:46 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=17049#comment-58186 While we do have some activists, not actually that much open carry here in Western Washington. Of course, the climate here supports wearing outer garments pretty much year-round... Myself, I wasn't really feeling it, but I was on my way to work at 10:30 anyway. So I took an extra break and went to the nearest Starbucks at the salt mines later that afternoon. While we do have some activists, not actually that much open carry here in Western Washington. Of course, the climate here supports wearing outer garments pretty much year-round…

Myself, I wasn’t really feeling it, but I was on my way to work at 10:30 anyway. So I took an extra break and went to the nearest Starbucks at the salt mines later that afternoon.

]]> By: Mike http://www.pagunblog.com/2010/03/03/seattle-residents-its-a-good-day-for-some-starbucks/#comment-58185 Mike Thu, 04 Mar 2010 05:02:02 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=17049#comment-58185 Arizona Rifleman - you can do whatever you want. However, if you make a point of going out in public for the express purpose of drawing attention to your OC firearm, then you're doing more harm than good. Since that's not how you describe your situation, then good for everyone. But OC activists are a thorn in the side of everyone - on both sides of the issue. They're just more useful to the anti-gunners. Case in point: before Starbucks held its ground, OC activists got not one, but TWO coffee chains to ban firearms. Prior to OC activists being so helpful, you would have been free to go there and OC while having a cup of joe. Now that the OC activists had their fun, you can't. OC activists are out there throwing the issue in everyones' faces and forcing them to act, most often contrary to your interests. So yeah, I think that's a horrible idea. Normalizing is one thing. Daring people to do something to stop you, and then being surprised when the do, is another. Arizona Rifleman – you can do whatever you want. However, if you make a point of going out in public for the express purpose of drawing attention to your OC firearm, then you’re doing more harm than good. Since that’s not how you describe your situation, then good for everyone.

But OC activists are a thorn in the side of everyone – on both sides of the issue. They’re just more useful to the anti-gunners. Case in point: before Starbucks held its ground, OC activists got not one, but TWO coffee chains to ban firearms. Prior to OC activists being so helpful, you would have been free to go there and OC while having a cup of joe. Now that the OC activists had their fun, you can’t.

OC activists are out there throwing the issue in everyones’ faces and forcing them to act, most often contrary to your interests. So yeah, I think that’s a horrible idea. Normalizing is one thing. Daring people to do something to stop you, and then being surprised when the do, is another.

]]> By: Arizona Rifleman http://www.pagunblog.com/2010/03/03/seattle-residents-its-a-good-day-for-some-starbucks/#comment-58171 Arizona Rifleman Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:32:40 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=17049#comment-58171 Mike: What about people like myself who OC because it's more comfortable, particularly when bloody hot out in Arizona? Would my stopping by a store count as "activism", even if I'm not there for any political reason? Why shouldn't I be allowed to conduct myself in a lawful manner anywhere in public I choose? I can OC in the grocery store, on the sidewalk, in Wal-Mart, or in Starbucks. Why should I refrain from OCing some place where I'm not prohibited from doing so? Sure, I can see avoiding obvious political issues and avoiding needlessly antagonizing anyone and would stay away from any active protest site, but I fail to see how reasonable people OCing in public in normal circumstances in any way detracts from the public perception of gun owners. Mike: What about people like myself who OC because it’s more comfortable, particularly when bloody hot out in Arizona? Would my stopping by a store count as “activism”, even if I’m not there for any political reason?

Why shouldn’t I be allowed to conduct myself in a lawful manner anywhere in public I choose? I can OC in the grocery store, on the sidewalk, in Wal-Mart, or in Starbucks. Why should I refrain from OCing some place where I’m not prohibited from doing so?

Sure, I can see avoiding obvious political issues and avoiding needlessly antagonizing anyone and would stay away from any active protest site, but I fail to see how reasonable people OCing in public in normal circumstances in any way detracts from the public perception of gun owners.

]]> By: Mike http://www.pagunblog.com/2010/03/03/seattle-residents-its-a-good-day-for-some-starbucks/#comment-58163 Mike Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:13:08 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=17049#comment-58163 More backlash from OC activism. Keep it up, guys! /sarcasm More backlash from OC activism.

Keep it up, guys!

/sarcasm

]]> By: Starbucks Continuing to Hold | Snowflakes in Hell http://www.pagunblog.com/2010/03/03/seattle-residents-its-a-good-day-for-some-starbucks/#comment-58162 Starbucks Continuing to Hold | Snowflakes in Hell Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:00:46 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=17049#comment-58162 [...] agree. I should be clear we were not calling for any counter protest of Abby Spangler’s protests earlier. I was just asking people to patronize the local Starbucks, and perhaps express some sentiment that [...] [...] agree. I should be clear we were not calling for any counter protest of Abby Spangler’s protests earlier. I was just asking people to patronize the local Starbucks, and perhaps express some sentiment that [...]

]]> By: Mike w. http://www.pagunblog.com/2010/03/03/seattle-residents-its-a-good-day-for-some-starbucks/#comment-58158 Mike w. Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:49:26 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=17049#comment-58158 Yeah I'd definitely second the "don't open carry' sentiment. If there are a handful of crazy people lying outside I'd rather not anagonize them. Yeah I’d definitely second the “don’t open carry’ sentiment. If there are a handful of crazy people lying outside I’d rather not anagonize them.

]]> By: If you happen to live in Seattle… http://www.pagunblog.com/2010/03/03/seattle-residents-its-a-good-day-for-some-starbucks/#comment-58157 If you happen to live in Seattle… Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:36:25 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=17049#comment-58157 [...] Hat Tip to Snowflakes In Hell. [...] [...] Hat Tip to Snowflakes In Hell. [...]

]]> By: John Smith http://www.pagunblog.com/2010/03/03/seattle-residents-its-a-good-day-for-some-starbucks/#comment-58156 John Smith Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:17:11 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=17049#comment-58156 The reason they are not telling anybody is because the brady bunch fans get their coffee at starbucks too. They do not want to get banned for obstructing customers. If I were there it would be a huge temptation to walk on them while carrying 10 cups of nice hot black coffee. The reason they are not telling anybody is because the brady bunch fans get their coffee at starbucks too. They do not want to get banned for obstructing customers. If I were there it would be a huge temptation to walk on them while carrying 10 cups of nice hot black coffee.

]]> By: Call to Arms Seattle « A Geek With Guns http://www.pagunblog.com/2010/03/03/seattle-residents-its-a-good-day-for-some-starbucks/#comment-58154 Call to Arms Seattle « A Geek With Guns Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:34:49 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=17049#comment-58154 [...] a comment » And by arms I mean money. Snowflakes in Hell dropped a note letting us in on an anti-gunner plan to get Starbucks politically involved. So far [...] [...] a comment » And by arms I mean money. Snowflakes in Hell dropped a note letting us in on an anti-gunner plan to get Starbucks politically involved. So far [...]

]]> By: Bitter http://www.pagunblog.com/2010/03/03/seattle-residents-its-a-good-day-for-some-starbucks/#comment-58153 Bitter Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:26:45 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=17049#comment-58153 I would agree for this situation. That's why I put a focus on what people should do - just go buy some stuff and tell the staff that you think the people outside are being weird, and you hope they don't get involved in politics. If corporate folks check in to find out what happened and they report that paying customers just thought it was stupid, then that will make a much bigger impact. I would agree for this situation. That’s why I put a focus on what people should do – just go buy some stuff and tell the staff that you think the people outside are being weird, and you hope they don’t get involved in politics. If corporate folks check in to find out what happened and they report that paying customers just thought it was stupid, then that will make a much bigger impact.

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