Comments on: Spreading the Blame http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/12/20/spreading-the-blame/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:34:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Target Rich Environment » Blame Redistribution http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/12/20/spreading-the-blame/#comment-54998 Target Rich Environment » Blame Redistribution Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:28:48 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=15109#comment-54998 [...] @ Snowflakesinhell is also blogging this (link) and appropriately levels “Jerome”: No, “Jerome,” you don’t get to [...] [...] @ Snowflakesinhell is also blogging this (link) and appropriately levels “Jerome”: No, “Jerome,” you don’t get to [...]

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/12/20/spreading-the-blame/#comment-54996 Sebastian Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:33:52 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=15109#comment-54996 <i>This is a pretty weak attempt by MYK to put blame on people running a legal business.</i> Yes, and she can barely disguise the fact that she doesn't believe it should be a legal business, but given the fact that's an extremist point of view, and doesn't win politically, she's not beneath smearing lawful dealers. I would note that the guy still got caught. I would almost bet the dealers he was buying from were involved in that. We had that happen at a neighborhood gun shop near me. Guy kept coming in and buying cheap guns, repeatedly. Dealer put a call in to the ATF, and it turned out he was a straw buyer. They arrested and prosecuted him. What Yant Kinney probably wouldn't believe is that dealers don't want to sell guns to criminals. They also don't want to treat all their customers as potential criminals either. It's a balancing act, and sometimes they won't always get the balance right. But it's still often dealers that tip off authorities if someone's buying habits are suspicious. This is a pretty weak attempt by MYK to put blame on people running a legal business.

Yes, and she can barely disguise the fact that she doesn’t believe it should be a legal business, but given the fact that’s an extremist point of view, and doesn’t win politically, she’s not beneath smearing lawful dealers.

I would note that the guy still got caught. I would almost bet the dealers he was buying from were involved in that. We had that happen at a neighborhood gun shop near me. Guy kept coming in and buying cheap guns, repeatedly. Dealer put a call in to the ATF, and it turned out he was a straw buyer. They arrested and prosecuted him.

What Yant Kinney probably wouldn’t believe is that dealers don’t want to sell guns to criminals. They also don’t want to treat all their customers as potential criminals either. It’s a balancing act, and sometimes they won’t always get the balance right. But it’s still often dealers that tip off authorities if someone’s buying habits are suspicious.

]]> By: BadIdeaGuy http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/12/20/spreading-the-blame/#comment-54995 BadIdeaGuy Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:26:20 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=15109#comment-54995 So if you take his "160 bun buying spree" over 2 years, he bought about 6.7 guns per month. If he did it at one store, he might be recognizable as a guy buying a lot of cheap guns, but consider that he did it at multiple gun stores, who probably have multiple employees. If they get a reasonable amount of customers, they probably wouldn't recognize him, let alone recognize what he was doing. This is a pretty weak attempt by MYK to put blame on people running a legal business. Obviously, the Inquirer is going to call for more restrictive gun purchasing laws. So if you take his “160 bun buying spree” over 2 years, he bought about 6.7 guns per month. If he did it at one store, he might be recognizable as a guy buying a lot of cheap guns, but consider that he did it at multiple gun stores, who probably have multiple employees. If they get a reasonable amount of customers, they probably wouldn’t recognize him, let alone recognize what he was doing.

This is a pretty weak attempt by MYK to put blame on people running a legal business. Obviously, the Inquirer is going to call for more restrictive gun purchasing laws.

]]> By: Texas Jack http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/12/20/spreading-the-blame/#comment-54987 Texas Jack Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:47:23 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=15109#comment-54987 My last purchase of firearms was a pistol and a rifle at the same time. Nobody came to visit me, customary or not, to check on my purchase. I think perhaps you might mean two or more handguns purchased in a northeastern city. As for me, I think someone buying several cheap handguns and then a few days later buying several more should have set off all sorts of alarms somewhere. My last purchase of firearms was a pistol and a rifle at the same time. Nobody came to visit me, customary or not, to check on my purchase. I think perhaps you might mean two or more handguns purchased in a northeastern city.
As for me, I think someone buying several cheap handguns and then a few days later buying several more should have set off all sorts of alarms somewhere.

]]> By: SayUncle » It’s not my fault http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/12/20/spreading-the-blame/#comment-54982 SayUncle » It’s not my fault Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:14:01 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=15109#comment-54982 [...] darn gun dealers. Making me break the law and all of that. Oh, except that those darn gun dealers actually alerted the feds to the fact I was [...] [...] darn gun dealers. Making me break the law and all of that. Oh, except that those darn gun dealers actually alerted the feds to the fact I was [...]

]]> By: Weer'd Beard http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/12/20/spreading-the-blame/#comment-54977 Weer'd Beard Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:08:25 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=15109#comment-54977 More blame the victim from the anti-freedom advocates! "Hey if that bank didn't keep all that cash in there, I wouldn't have been so tempted to rob it! Banks should share some of the blame!" "Hey if the boarder security force wasn't so over staffed I wouldn't have been able to smuggle the kilo of Cocaine into the country. They should share some of the blame!" "Hey if the bartender hadn't trusted me when I said I'd take a cap home after getting hammered, I wouldn't have had that DUI conviction! He should share some of the blame!" We're creating a country of perpetual children, and sadly our federal and state government is perfectly happy to step in to play the role of Mommy and Daddy. *sigh* More blame the victim from the anti-freedom advocates!

“Hey if that bank didn’t keep all that cash in there, I wouldn’t have been so tempted to rob it! Banks should share some of the blame!”

“Hey if the boarder security force wasn’t so over staffed I wouldn’t have been able to smuggle the kilo of Cocaine into the country. They should share some of the blame!”

“Hey if the bartender hadn’t trusted me when I said I’d take a cap home after getting hammered, I wouldn’t have had that DUI conviction! He should share some of the blame!”

We’re creating a country of perpetual children, and sadly our federal and state government is perfectly happy to step in to play the role of Mommy and Daddy. *sigh*

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/12/20/spreading-the-blame/#comment-54957 Sebastian Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:41:03 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=15109#comment-54957 It not only goes to ATF, but also goes to the local CLEO, in my case the county sheriff, but for someone in Philadelphia, the Philadelphia Police. I've bought multiple firearms at once before, and had the dealer do that paperwork, but ATF never came to talk to me. But I have a C&R, so they may have just put together than I was an FFL, so who cares. Nonetheless, I've never heard that kind of investigation is routine, though I suspect law enforcement is more interested in patterns than one instance of someone buying two guns. There's lots of reasons people might need to do that every once in a while. It not only goes to ATF, but also goes to the local CLEO, in my case the county sheriff, but for someone in Philadelphia, the Philadelphia Police. I’ve bought multiple firearms at once before, and had the dealer do that paperwork, but ATF never came to talk to me. But I have a C&R, so they may have just put together than I was an FFL, so who cares.

Nonetheless, I’ve never heard that kind of investigation is routine, though I suspect law enforcement is more interested in patterns than one instance of someone buying two guns. There’s lots of reasons people might need to do that every once in a while.

]]> By: Cemetery's Gun Blob http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/12/20/spreading-the-blame/#comment-54954 Cemetery's Gun Blob Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:12:40 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=15109#comment-54954 I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya. She actually mentions this: ***Federal regulations require gun shops to report to the ATF anyone buying two or more weapons in a five-day period. Soon, a federal agent paid Jerome a visit, as is customary, to ask about his purchases.*** I’m shocked, shocked I tell ya.

She actually mentions this:

***Federal regulations require gun shops to report to the ATF anyone buying two or more weapons in a five-day period. Soon, a federal agent paid Jerome a visit, as is customary, to ask about his purchases.***

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