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		<title>By: "gunner"</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/12/16/swiss-keeping-guns-at-home/#comment-54910</link>
		<dc:creator>"gunner"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i had an encounter with a visiting swiss national up here in vermont while working as an armoured truck guard, he heard me ordering my dinner in german and we got a conversation started, he noticed the p220 in my duty belt, surprised to see a swiss pistol in the u.s. and i told him &quot;SIG&quot; was well known and highly regarded here. he was also quite surprised to hear that in vermont we have no &quot;pistol permits&quot; issued or required. my pistol was personal property, not company issue, and i could carry it on or off duty as i pleased,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i had an encounter with a visiting swiss national up here in vermont while working as an armoured truck guard, he heard me ordering my dinner in german and we got a conversation started, he noticed the p220 in my duty belt, surprised to see a swiss pistol in the u.s. and i told him &#8220;SIG&#8221; was well known and highly regarded here. he was also quite surprised to hear that in vermont we have no &#8220;pistol permits&#8221; issued or required. my pistol was personal property, not company issue, and i could carry it on or off duty as i pleased,</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/12/16/swiss-keeping-guns-at-home/#comment-54885</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Swiss gun culture is very interesting, both in its similarities to American gun culture, and in its differences. 

Similarities are most in the shooting sport culture, and in a general cultural disdain to too much control or prohibition. Swiss shooting is pretty similar to NRA high-power from what I&#039;ve seen, and the type of shooting club culture we have here in this part of the country is similar.

Difference is that American gun culture tends to be heavily self-defense oriented, and the Swiss still use a militia system we long ago abandoned, and their gun culture is intimately wrapped up in that. The current Swiss gun culture is probably closer to what ours was before the 19th century, and the slow abandonment of the universal militia in favor of a standing army.

But I think most Americans wouldn&#039;t find Swiss gun laws too odd or onerous, and I doubt most Swiss would find ours to be insane. It&#039;s easier to get a license to carry a gun here, but my understanding is that it&#039;s not impossible in Switzerland either. Carry permits in Switzerland are issued more along the lines of Delaware and Iowa, with it varying jurisdiction to jurisdiction a bit, but not being impossible, or particularly difficult to get.

Swiss laws on automatic weapons are actually fairly similar to ours, though the universal militia system dispenses full automatic assault weapons to its male population. Though my understand is when your term of service is up, you can only keep your weapon if you convert it to semi-automatic. They don&#039;t follow ATF&#039;s one a machine gun always a machine gun philosophy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Swiss gun culture is very interesting, both in its similarities to American gun culture, and in its differences. </p>
<p>Similarities are most in the shooting sport culture, and in a general cultural disdain to too much control or prohibition. Swiss shooting is pretty similar to NRA high-power from what I&#8217;ve seen, and the type of shooting club culture we have here in this part of the country is similar.</p>
<p>Difference is that American gun culture tends to be heavily self-defense oriented, and the Swiss still use a militia system we long ago abandoned, and their gun culture is intimately wrapped up in that. The current Swiss gun culture is probably closer to what ours was before the 19th century, and the slow abandonment of the universal militia in favor of a standing army.</p>
<p>But I think most Americans wouldn&#8217;t find Swiss gun laws too odd or onerous, and I doubt most Swiss would find ours to be insane. It&#8217;s easier to get a license to carry a gun here, but my understanding is that it&#8217;s not impossible in Switzerland either. Carry permits in Switzerland are issued more along the lines of Delaware and Iowa, with it varying jurisdiction to jurisdiction a bit, but not being impossible, or particularly difficult to get.</p>
<p>Swiss laws on automatic weapons are actually fairly similar to ours, though the universal militia system dispenses full automatic assault weapons to its male population. Though my understand is when your term of service is up, you can only keep your weapon if you convert it to semi-automatic. They don&#8217;t follow ATF&#8217;s one a machine gun always a machine gun philosophy.</p>
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		<title>By: Laci the Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/12/16/swiss-keeping-guns-at-home/#comment-54882</link>
		<dc:creator>Laci the Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, I was pointing out that there is an &quot;anti-gun&quot; movement: believe it or not.  They also have some clout: e.g., changes regarding the storage of service ammo at home.

Not to mention that the Schengen Agreement on European trade is effecting Swiss gun laws.

Anyone care to discuss this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, I was pointing out that there is an &#8220;anti-gun&#8221; movement: believe it or not.  They also have some clout: e.g., changes regarding the storage of service ammo at home.</p>
<p>Not to mention that the Schengen Agreement on European trade is effecting Swiss gun laws.</p>
<p>Anyone care to discuss this?</p>
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		<title>By: Switzerland Keeping Gun At Home &#171; A Geek With Guns</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/12/16/swiss-keeping-guns-at-home/#comment-54837</link>
		<dc:creator>Switzerland Keeping Gun At Home &#171; A Geek With Guns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a comment &#187;  Snowflakes in Hell reports good news out of Switzerland. The Swiss government has rejected the whining of anti-gun [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Weer'd Beard</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/12/16/swiss-keeping-guns-at-home/#comment-54833</link>
		<dc:creator>Weer'd Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laci falls in Groups A and B
http://weerdbeard.livejournal.com/589444.html
http://weerdbeard.livejournal.com/595950.html
http://3bxsofbs.infamousanime.net/?p=1208</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laci falls in Groups A and B<br />
<a href="http://weerdbeard.livejournal.com/589444.html" rel="nofollow">http://weerdbeard.livejournal.com/589444.html</a><br />
<a href="http://weerdbeard.livejournal.com/595950.html" rel="nofollow">http://weerdbeard.livejournal.com/595950.html</a><br />
<a href="http://3bxsofbs.infamousanime.net/?p=1208" rel="nofollow">http://3bxsofbs.infamousanime.net/?p=1208</a></p>
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		<title>By: Laci the Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/12/16/swiss-keeping-guns-at-home/#comment-54828</link>
		<dc:creator>Laci the Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Believe it or not, there is an anti-gun movement in Switzerland along with Switzerland joining in on the Schengen treaty which is supposed to harmonise Europe for plain off trade.

The Schengen treaty also includes gun control measures.

http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/justice_freedom_security/free_movement_of_persons_asylum_immigration/l33020_en.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe it or not, there is an anti-gun movement in Switzerland along with Switzerland joining in on the Schengen treaty which is supposed to harmonise Europe for plain off trade.</p>
<p>The Schengen treaty also includes gun control measures.</p>
<p><a href="http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/justice_freedom_security/free_movement_of_persons_asylum_immigration/l33020_en.htm" rel="nofollow">http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/justice_freedom_security/free_movement_of_persons_asylum_immigration/l33020_en.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Weer'd Beard</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/12/16/swiss-keeping-guns-at-home/#comment-54824</link>
		<dc:creator>Weer'd Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It seems that the gun-banner tendency to have absolutely no idea what they are talking about is an international phenomenon.&quot;

Guav, it&#039;s a REQUIREMENT.   Ever wonder why you and I are near polar opposites on the political spectrum....but somehow we see eye-to-eye on the gun issue?   Meanwhile you don&#039;t have to dig to deep on ANY person who advocates gun control before you can find that they are a) Clueless, b) Dishonest, or c) hypocrites.

Flat Earthers don&#039;t own Globes, Gun-banners don&#039;t acknowledge reality.   Just how it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It seems that the gun-banner tendency to have absolutely no idea what they are talking about is an international phenomenon.&#8221;</p>
<p>Guav, it&#8217;s a REQUIREMENT.   Ever wonder why you and I are near polar opposites on the political spectrum&#8230;.but somehow we see eye-to-eye on the gun issue?   Meanwhile you don&#8217;t have to dig to deep on ANY person who advocates gun control before you can find that they are a) Clueless, b) Dishonest, or c) hypocrites.</p>
<p>Flat Earthers don&#8217;t own Globes, Gun-banners don&#8217;t acknowledge reality.   Just how it is.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/12/16/swiss-keeping-guns-at-home/#comment-54803</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;pacifist&quot; n. A person so devoid of moral compass that they actually believe nothing good is worth fighting for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;pacifist&#8221; n. A person so devoid of moral compass that they actually believe nothing good is worth fighting for.</p>
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		<title>By: maxpwr</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/12/16/swiss-keeping-guns-at-home/#comment-54791</link>
		<dc:creator>maxpwr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In neighboring Austria pump action shotguns are already banned, but semi-autos are still legal.  Good to know the antis pass bizarre gun bans not only in the US, but also abroad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In neighboring Austria pump action shotguns are already banned, but semi-autos are still legal.  Good to know the antis pass bizarre gun bans not only in the US, but also abroad.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl from Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl from Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pump-action shotguns are indeed dangerous.  That&#039;s the whole point.

Pump shotguns, automatic weapons, revolvers, scoped bolt rifles ... hell, they are all just guns to me, and should all be just guns to everyone but those who wish for political purposes to brand &quot;types&quot; of guns as &quot;particularly dangerous.&quot;

This is something the antis have done rather successfully, and a concept that gun owners have been particularly poor about, in regard to educating the public.  Even many strong gun owners have fallen for the hype about semi-autos, .50s, and &quot;junk&quot; handguns.  We as a second amendment community need to figure out how to bring this message to gun owners ... &quot;they are all just guns, and the antis would like to ban them all.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pump-action shotguns are indeed dangerous.  That&#8217;s the whole point.</p>
<p>Pump shotguns, automatic weapons, revolvers, scoped bolt rifles &#8230; hell, they are all just guns to me, and should all be just guns to everyone but those who wish for political purposes to brand &#8220;types&#8221; of guns as &#8220;particularly dangerous.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is something the antis have done rather successfully, and a concept that gun owners have been particularly poor about, in regard to educating the public.  Even many strong gun owners have fallen for the hype about semi-autos, .50s, and &#8220;junk&#8221; handguns.  We as a second amendment community need to figure out how to bring this message to gun owners &#8230; &#8220;they are all just guns, and the antis would like to ban them all.&#8221;</p>
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