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		<title>By: RAH</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/24/how-gunnies-communicate/#comment-53783</link>
		<dc:creator>RAH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than not  picking  over the term  anti  media when   it is a new form of  media, the real point is that  how successful  grassroots efforts to organize and lobby their states to get  conceal carry  laws on the books. That  effort despite all the hysteria of the hoplohobes showed actual success in crime reduction from the increase of  personal carry. The good behavior of  CCW  permit  holders set  an public narrative that  people can be trusted with guns in public rather than in the privacy  of their homes.

 This is the same narrative that  OC  is trying to set. But that  success has yet  to  happen or be determined.

 The fact that  38 states had CCW  and were happy  helped in Heller since it  bolstered the idea that  private people can be trusted.

The real  issue is that  people  know other people than  they  would not trust  with  a gun and project that  to everyone.

 The  uneasy fear that  people have with  OC has it  roots  with the fear that  other people are  not safe with  guns. Events  such as OC  clean up allows the public to see OC  doing a good public service and alleviate fears. That  is where public OC events can be helpful.

 In the  face OC as perceived by the public offends others and can reinforce the fears of  armed people. As Says Uncle &quot; dont  scare the white folk.&quot;

 The is a rational reason  since a lot  of  gun control  laws were   enacted by white folk  fear of black folk armed and that  white folk would be killed.

The Black Panther march  in  California is an example  But that was also during a time of great  social unrest of the 1960&#039;s.

A  question is that  with the economic depression  that  could lead to social unrest  does that  set the circumstances of a an increase call  for law and order and more gun control?

The ironic part is those agitating  now are the white folk a la town halls  and tea partiers.

 The  emotional fears and discontent is very  high and for quite a while there has been  a polarization  between the left  and right.

It is getting to the point that differences can not  be discussed. The fustration that  many  feel that  Congress and Obama are running  roughshod and not listening  also lead to this. We are getting  much closer to a out break  of hostilities by  people of differing  political feelings.

 These are dangerous times. Our political  system  is very  good and allowing  release and contains differing  passions and reduces the probability of riots and armed hostilities. But  the   relief  valve is that  our representatives listen and react  to our concerns. 

Thankfuilly the political revolt  of anti  Obamacare is having  an effect  and has slowed down the train.   The real  fear  is that  Obama is clueless about  how much  his is pushing  people in a direction they  do not want to go and will revolt.

 This during a time where America&#039;s prestige  is less due to  Obama talking  down America. We have real outside enemies  and this is not a good time for America to be divided. But  divided we are.

 How this enviromment  will effect  expansion of  gun rights, I  have no idea. It  may  increase or diminish them. So  far we are the rise but that was from a period of  peace , prosperity and security.  That  period is ended and how this new paradigm  will effect  things is unknown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than not  picking  over the term  anti  media when   it is a new form of  media, the real point is that  how successful  grassroots efforts to organize and lobby their states to get  conceal carry  laws on the books. That  effort despite all the hysteria of the hoplohobes showed actual success in crime reduction from the increase of  personal carry. The good behavior of  CCW  permit  holders set  an public narrative that  people can be trusted with guns in public rather than in the privacy  of their homes.</p>
<p> This is the same narrative that  OC  is trying to set. But that  success has yet  to  happen or be determined.</p>
<p> The fact that  38 states had CCW  and were happy  helped in Heller since it  bolstered the idea that  private people can be trusted.</p>
<p>The real  issue is that  people  know other people than  they  would not trust  with  a gun and project that  to everyone.</p>
<p> The  uneasy fear that  people have with  OC has it  roots  with the fear that  other people are  not safe with  guns. Events  such as OC  clean up allows the public to see OC  doing a good public service and alleviate fears. That  is where public OC events can be helpful.</p>
<p> In the  face OC as perceived by the public offends others and can reinforce the fears of  armed people. As Says Uncle &#8221; dont  scare the white folk.&#8221;</p>
<p> The is a rational reason  since a lot  of  gun control  laws were   enacted by white folk  fear of black folk armed and that  white folk would be killed.</p>
<p>The Black Panther march  in  California is an example  But that was also during a time of great  social unrest of the 1960&#8242;s.</p>
<p>A  question is that  with the economic depression  that  could lead to social unrest  does that  set the circumstances of a an increase call  for law and order and more gun control?</p>
<p>The ironic part is those agitating  now are the white folk a la town halls  and tea partiers.</p>
<p> The  emotional fears and discontent is very  high and for quite a while there has been  a polarization  between the left  and right.</p>
<p>It is getting to the point that differences can not  be discussed. The fustration that  many  feel that  Congress and Obama are running  roughshod and not listening  also lead to this. We are getting  much closer to a out break  of hostilities by  people of differing  political feelings.</p>
<p> These are dangerous times. Our political  system  is very  good and allowing  release and contains differing  passions and reduces the probability of riots and armed hostilities. But  the   relief  valve is that  our representatives listen and react  to our concerns. </p>
<p>Thankfuilly the political revolt  of anti  Obamacare is having  an effect  and has slowed down the train.   The real  fear  is that  Obama is clueless about  how much  his is pushing  people in a direction they  do not want to go and will revolt.</p>
<p> This during a time where America&#8217;s prestige  is less due to  Obama talking  down America. We have real outside enemies  and this is not a good time for America to be divided. But  divided we are.</p>
<p> How this enviromment  will effect  expansion of  gun rights, I  have no idea. It  may  increase or diminish them. So  far we are the rise but that was from a period of  peace , prosperity and security.  That  period is ended and how this new paradigm  will effect  things is unknown.</p>
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		<title>By: Bitter</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/24/how-gunnies-communicate/#comment-53761</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I object in principle to the term “anti-media” being applied to the proliferation of blogs, forums, blogmeets, aggregators and online associations related to firearms rights, use, safety, and laws.&lt;/em&gt;

Do you have an advance copy to see if that&#039;s the full context in which he&#039;s talking about?  With the writer being a professor, and this appearing to fall more in the &quot;useful as a textbook&quot; pricing category, I would not assume it&#039;s a simple read on new media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I object in principle to the term “anti-media” being applied to the proliferation of blogs, forums, blogmeets, aggregators and online associations related to firearms rights, use, safety, and laws.</em></p>
<p>Do you have an advance copy to see if that&#8217;s the full context in which he&#8217;s talking about?  With the writer being a professor, and this appearing to fall more in the &#8220;useful as a textbook&#8221; pricing category, I would not assume it&#8217;s a simple read on new media.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikee</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/24/how-gunnies-communicate/#comment-53760</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I object in principle to the term &quot;anti-media&quot; being applied to the proliferation of blogs, forums, blogmeets, aggregators and online associations related to firearms rights, use, safety, and laws.

Media is media. A different form of media is still media, although a new and better form of media can replace, outstrip, overwhelm, flank, and/or drive into the ground older, less useful forms of media.

&quot;Deadtree&quot; has been the term used to describe academic journals and regular newspapers since I was in college in the 1970&#039;s, for a good reason.  I used paper information resources less and less from then to the present, and used online resources more and more. I read actual paper newspapers while waiting for my oil to be changed, and rarely otherwise. 

I think &quot;new media&quot; might be a more accurate, and non-perjorative, term for online firearms information sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I object in principle to the term &#8220;anti-media&#8221; being applied to the proliferation of blogs, forums, blogmeets, aggregators and online associations related to firearms rights, use, safety, and laws.</p>
<p>Media is media. A different form of media is still media, although a new and better form of media can replace, outstrip, overwhelm, flank, and/or drive into the ground older, less useful forms of media.</p>
<p>&#8220;Deadtree&#8221; has been the term used to describe academic journals and regular newspapers since I was in college in the 1970&#8242;s, for a good reason.  I used paper information resources less and less from then to the present, and used online resources more and more. I read actual paper newspapers while waiting for my oil to be changed, and rarely otherwise. </p>
<p>I think &#8220;new media&#8221; might be a more accurate, and non-perjorative, term for online firearms information sources.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle &#187; Anti-Media</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/24/how-gunnies-communicate/#comment-53726</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle &#187; Anti-Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] one too: Rise of the Anti-Media: In-forming America&#8217;s Concealed Weapon Carry Movement. As Bitter tells us it&#8217;s about how gun owners communicate even though many mainstream outlets are outright hostile to our [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] one too: Rise of the Anti-Media: In-forming America&#8217;s Concealed Weapon Carry Movement. As Bitter tells us it&#8217;s about how gun owners communicate even though many mainstream outlets are outright hostile to our [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carl from Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/24/how-gunnies-communicate/#comment-53697</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl from Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found Patrick&#039;s presentations at the most recent GRPC to be very thoughtful, and engaging, and worth looking into more deeply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found Patrick&#8217;s presentations at the most recent GRPC to be very thoughtful, and engaging, and worth looking into more deeply.</p>
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