Comments on: Another Brady “Cop Killer” Gun http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/20/another-brady-cop-killer-gun/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:54:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Corey http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/20/another-brady-cop-killer-gun/#comment-53589 Corey Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:54:09 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14417#comment-53589 In line with what Brad said, the two cartridges actually have very different ballistics. The Firearm Blog has a post about it, and it turns out the 5.7 has almost three times the power of the .22 Magnum: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/ p.s. I'm a first time poster, longtime reader. I love this site. In line with what Brad said, the two cartridges actually have very different ballistics. The Firearm Blog has a post about it, and it turns out the 5.7 has almost three times the power of the .22 Magnum: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/

p.s. I’m a first time poster, longtime reader. I love this site.

]]> By: Weer'd Beard http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/20/another-brady-cop-killer-gun/#comment-53567 Weer'd Beard Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:53:27 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14417#comment-53567 Nomen I'd suspect a .22 LR conversion would be VERY difficult because of the length of the gun's action: http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/34769-6/PMR30_locked_back_8294.jpg Tho maybe if this sells really well (which at the price point, plus the wiz-bang factor, I suspect it will) maybe Kel-Tec will make a smaller .22 LR version Nomen I’d suspect a .22 LR conversion would be VERY difficult because of the length of the gun’s action:
http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/34769-6/PMR30_locked_back_8294.jpg

Tho maybe if this sells really well (which at the price point, plus the wiz-bang factor, I suspect it will) maybe Kel-Tec will make a smaller .22 LR version

]]> By: emdfl http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/20/another-brady-cop-killer-gun/#comment-53557 emdfl Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:02:11 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14417#comment-53557 Grendel made an R-31 carbine (16"barrel?) that used the same mag. That one probably would give the 5.7 a run for its money. Grendel made an R-31 carbine (16″barrel?) that used the same mag. That one probably would give the 5.7 a run for its money.

]]> By: Hyman Roth http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/20/another-brady-cop-killer-gun/#comment-53553 Hyman Roth Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:40:34 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14417#comment-53553 I think AutoMag made a .22 magnum pistol as well. I think AutoMag made a .22 magnum pistol as well.

]]> By: Nomen Nescio http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/20/another-brady-cop-killer-gun/#comment-53523 Nomen Nescio Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:41:11 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14417#comment-53523 anybody have an idea how modular that thing's likely to be? as in, could there be a reasonably simple to install .22LR modification kit built? anybody have an idea how modular that thing’s likely to be? as in, could there be a reasonably simple to install .22LR modification kit built?

]]> By: Wolfwood http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/20/another-brady-cop-killer-gun/#comment-53491 Wolfwood Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:43:26 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14417#comment-53491 Dear Kel-Tec, For Christmas 2010, I'd like a carbine that takes magazines for the PMR30. Maybe it could fold like the Sub-2000, yes? Also, please give into the temptation to make transformer guns. They already look like they should fit together to make a crank-driven, belt-fed gatling gun anyway, so why not give the people what they want? Yours, Wolfwood Dear Kel-Tec,

For Christmas 2010, I’d like a carbine that takes magazines for the PMR30. Maybe it could fold like the Sub-2000, yes?

Also, please give into the temptation to make transformer guns. They already look like they should fit together to make a crank-driven, belt-fed gatling gun anyway, so why not give the people what they want?

Yours,
Wolfwood

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/20/another-brady-cop-killer-gun/#comment-53481 Sebastian Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:34:41 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14417#comment-53481 It's more aptly compared to a .22 Hornet. But it depends on the loading. The hot 5.7mms that aren't available to civilians can outperform .22 magnums by a significant degree, but a hot .22 magnum round can get close to the neutered sporting rounds in 5.7mm It’s more aptly compared to a .22 Hornet. But it depends on the loading. The hot 5.7mms that aren’t available to civilians can outperform .22 magnums by a significant degree, but a hot .22 magnum round can get close to the neutered sporting rounds in 5.7mm

]]> By: Brad http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/20/another-brady-cop-killer-gun/#comment-53478 Brad Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:25:02 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14417#comment-53478 About time. The stupid Democratic 1994 AW ban killed a lot of interesting firearms before they had a chance to prosper. As far as .22 mag vs 5.7mm interior ballistics however; I believe the 5.7mm generates power in a handgun length barrel equal to a .22 mag from a rifle length barrel. So directly equating .22 mag and 5.7mm is a little misleading. The fact that 30 rounds of .22 mag will fit into a handgun that would only fit 20 rounds of 5.7mm, should be a casual observers first clue that the two cartridges are not equivalent. About time. The stupid Democratic 1994 AW ban killed a lot of interesting firearms before they had a chance to prosper.

As far as .22 mag vs 5.7mm interior ballistics however; I believe the 5.7mm generates power in a handgun length barrel equal to a .22 mag from a rifle length barrel. So directly equating .22 mag and 5.7mm is a little misleading. The fact that 30 rounds of .22 mag will fit into a handgun that would only fit 20 rounds of 5.7mm, should be a casual observers first clue that the two cartridges are not equivalent.

]]> By: BadIdeaGuy http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/20/another-brady-cop-killer-gun/#comment-53463 BadIdeaGuy Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:00:50 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14417#comment-53463 (note to self, read full article before commenting): "It’s really no surprise that Kel-Tec is finally releasing (or should I say, re-releasing?) the PMR-30. Swedish designer George Kellgren initially designed the Grendel P30 .22 Magnum autoloader. Now, it’s been rehashed and re released as the Kel-Tec PMR-30." (note to self, read full article before commenting):
“It’s really no surprise that Kel-Tec is finally releasing (or should I say, re-releasing?) the PMR-30. Swedish designer George Kellgren initially designed the Grendel P30 .22 Magnum autoloader. Now, it’s been rehashed and re released as the Kel-Tec PMR-30.”

]]> By: BadIdeaGuy http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/20/another-brady-cop-killer-gun/#comment-53462 BadIdeaGuy Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:56:11 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14417#comment-53462 I was thinking Grendel also. Almost bought one a few years ago but everyone I talked to said there were feeding issues with them. I was thinking Grendel also. Almost bought one a few years ago but everyone I talked to said there were feeding issues with them.

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