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Another Brady “Cop Killer” Gun

Looks like Kel-Tec is making a semi-auto pistol in .22 Magnum. Of course, this fairly common and 50 year old rimfire caliber isn’t generally thought of as an armor piercing, but it’s performance is very close to the 5.7mm round fired by the much maligned FN Five-Seven. Will the gun control crowd advocate banning this gun too?

13 Responses to “Another Brady “Cop Killer” Gun”

  1. kaveman says:

    Well, James Brady/Reagen/SS dude were all shot with a .22LR revolver.

    There’s no gun they won’t go after eventually.

  2. dogon1013 says:

    EVERY new gun is on the list to be banned by the “gun control crowd”.

  3. Ronnie says:

    I believe that the last semi-automatic pistol in .22 Magnum was the Grendel P30, which I also believe was put out of production as a result of the AWB of 1994. It’s tough to design an effective and reliable semi-automatic action for the .22 Magnum cartridge, actually, due to something known as the “Blish Effect,” which is simply the tendency of two pieces of metal to stick together when high pressure gets exerted upon them both.

  4. BadIdeaGuy says:

    I was thinking Grendel also. Almost bought one a few years ago but everyone I talked to said there were feeding issues with them.

  5. BadIdeaGuy says:

    (note to self, read full article before commenting):
    “It’s really no surprise that Kel-Tec is finally releasing (or should I say, re-releasing?) the PMR-30. Swedish designer George Kellgren initially designed the Grendel P30 .22 Magnum autoloader. Now, it’s been rehashed and re released as the Kel-Tec PMR-30.”

  6. Brad says:

    About time. The stupid Democratic 1994 AW ban killed a lot of interesting firearms before they had a chance to prosper.

    As far as .22 mag vs 5.7mm interior ballistics however; I believe the 5.7mm generates power in a handgun length barrel equal to a .22 mag from a rifle length barrel. So directly equating .22 mag and 5.7mm is a little misleading. The fact that 30 rounds of .22 mag will fit into a handgun that would only fit 20 rounds of 5.7mm, should be a casual observers first clue that the two cartridges are not equivalent.

  7. Sebastian says:

    It’s more aptly compared to a .22 Hornet. But it depends on the loading. The hot 5.7mms that aren’t available to civilians can outperform .22 magnums by a significant degree, but a hot .22 magnum round can get close to the neutered sporting rounds in 5.7mm

  8. Wolfwood says:

    Dear Kel-Tec,

    For Christmas 2010, I’d like a carbine that takes magazines for the PMR30. Maybe it could fold like the Sub-2000, yes?

    Also, please give into the temptation to make transformer guns. They already look like they should fit together to make a crank-driven, belt-fed gatling gun anyway, so why not give the people what they want?

    Yours,
    Wolfwood

  9. Nomen Nescio says:

    anybody have an idea how modular that thing’s likely to be? as in, could there be a reasonably simple to install .22LR modification kit built?

  10. Hyman Roth says:

    I think AutoMag made a .22 magnum pistol as well.

  11. emdfl says:

    Grendel made an R-31 carbine (16″barrel?) that used the same mag. That one probably would give the 5.7 a run for its money.

  12. Weer'd Beard says:

    Nomen I’d suspect a .22 LR conversion would be VERY difficult because of the length of the gun’s action:
    http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/34769-6/PMR30_locked_back_8294.jpg

    Tho maybe if this sells really well (which at the price point, plus the wiz-bang factor, I suspect it will) maybe Kel-Tec will make a smaller .22 LR version

  13. Corey says:

    In line with what Brad said, the two cartridges actually have very different ballistics. The Firearm Blog has a post about it, and it turns out the 5.7 has almost three times the power of the .22 Magnum: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/

    p.s. I’m a first time poster, longtime reader. I love this site.

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