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		<title>By: BillH</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/05/a-coalition-i-can-believe-in/#comment-52612</link>
		<dc:creator>BillH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there is a worldview problem as well.  But that&#039;s a topic for another day ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there is a worldview problem as well.  But that&#8217;s a topic for another day ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: BillH</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/05/a-coalition-i-can-believe-in/#comment-52611</link>
		<dc:creator>BillH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ET, they don&#039;t, and you&#039;re ahead of the majority of the population in realizing that.  

Now, what are you going to do about it?  Because BOTH parties play the power game by doling out goodies from the public purse.

But Megan is wrong.  

This country&#039;s problems don&#039;t stem from racial or social division, so much as they do from two major parties ignoring the Constitution and pitting different segments of the populace against each other trying to &quot;win&quot;.  This group is holding you down.  That group is getting more than you are.  Those evil dudes are yada yada yada.  And the sheep follow along, oblivious.

Every time someone like Megan writes a &quot;we have to get rid of the noisy Christians&quot; or &quot;we have to get rid of the noisy Hispanics&quot; or &quot;we have to get rid of the noisy gun nuts&quot;, the pols sit back and chuckle...

and continue running the scam that our fedgov has become.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ET, they don&#8217;t, and you&#8217;re ahead of the majority of the population in realizing that.  </p>
<p>Now, what are you going to do about it?  Because BOTH parties play the power game by doling out goodies from the public purse.</p>
<p>But Megan is wrong.  </p>
<p>This country&#8217;s problems don&#8217;t stem from racial or social division, so much as they do from two major parties ignoring the Constitution and pitting different segments of the populace against each other trying to &#8220;win&#8221;.  This group is holding you down.  That group is getting more than you are.  Those evil dudes are yada yada yada.  And the sheep follow along, oblivious.</p>
<p>Every time someone like Megan writes a &#8220;we have to get rid of the noisy Christians&#8221; or &#8220;we have to get rid of the noisy Hispanics&#8221; or &#8220;we have to get rid of the noisy gun nuts&#8221;, the pols sit back and chuckle&#8230;</p>
<p>and continue running the scam that our fedgov has become.</p>
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		<title>By: Extreme Tolerance</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/05/a-coalition-i-can-believe-in/#comment-52597</link>
		<dc:creator>Extreme Tolerance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Megan is correct. 

This pushed me to post some of my thoughts (because what the interwebz needs is more people ranting). As a 25 year old professional I really don&#039;t feel that either party has my interests in mind.

http://extremetolerance.com/blog/about/political-rant-representation/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Megan is correct. </p>
<p>This pushed me to post some of my thoughts (because what the interwebz needs is more people ranting). As a 25 year old professional I really don&#8217;t feel that either party has my interests in mind.</p>
<p><a href="http://extremetolerance.com/blog/about/political-rant-representation/" rel="nofollow">http://extremetolerance.com/blog/about/political-rant-representation/</a></p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/05/a-coalition-i-can-believe-in/#comment-52596</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Stephen Said, 
November 5th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Republicans should accept that Gay Marriage/legal gay unions are unstoppable &quot;

Wrong, gay marriage was voted on in the state of Main on tuesday and was defeated. Just like it was defeated in all 31 other states that have put it to the voters.
http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=293976&amp;ac=PHnws</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Stephen Said,<br />
November 5th, 2009 at 11:55 am<br />
Republicans should accept that Gay Marriage/legal gay unions are unstoppable &#8221;</p>
<p>Wrong, gay marriage was voted on in the state of Main on tuesday and was defeated. Just like it was defeated in all 31 other states that have put it to the voters.<br />
<a href="http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=293976&#038;ac=PHnws" rel="nofollow">http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=293976&#038;ac=PHnws</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wolfwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolfwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Sebastian&lt;/b&gt;,

&quot;Fiscal restraint, smaller government, and individual liberty&quot; are nice, but to me that sounds more like &quot;Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness definitely; Life...maybe.  If we can afford it.&quot;  

I do agree that it&#039;s a coalition, but there are some things that rise to &lt;i&gt;sine qua non&lt;/i&gt; status.  For social conservatives, abortion tends to be one of those, just as lower taxes tends to be one for fiscal conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Sebastian</b>,</p>
<p>&#8220;Fiscal restraint, smaller government, and individual liberty&#8221; are nice, but to me that sounds more like &#8220;Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness definitely; Life&#8230;maybe.  If we can afford it.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I do agree that it&#8217;s a coalition, but there are some things that rise to <i>sine qua non</i> status.  For social conservatives, abortion tends to be one of those, just as lower taxes tends to be one for fiscal conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wolfwood:

I probably wouldn&#039;t go so far as suggesting the Republicans need to totally abandon social issues. I don&#039;t think Megan is going that far either. But religious conservatives do need to understand that they too are in a coalition with people who might be a little uncomfortable with their positions.

To that end, what did fiscal conservatives have to feel good about in the Bush Administration? Why haven&#039;t Republicans yet learned to run socially liberal fiscal hawks in states like California? The GOP won in New Jersey because they finally fronted a candidate that could win.

In short, GOP is a coalition, and everyone gets a little bit of action on their issues, but the unifying principle of the GOP has to be fiscal restraint, smaller government, and individual liberty. There&#039;s a lot of room for disagreement within that, but you can&#039;t assemble a winning national party on a handful of social issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolfwood:</p>
<p>I probably wouldn&#8217;t go so far as suggesting the Republicans need to totally abandon social issues. I don&#8217;t think Megan is going that far either. But religious conservatives do need to understand that they too are in a coalition with people who might be a little uncomfortable with their positions.</p>
<p>To that end, what did fiscal conservatives have to feel good about in the Bush Administration? Why haven&#8217;t Republicans yet learned to run socially liberal fiscal hawks in states like California? The GOP won in New Jersey because they finally fronted a candidate that could win.</p>
<p>In short, GOP is a coalition, and everyone gets a little bit of action on their issues, but the unifying principle of the GOP has to be fiscal restraint, smaller government, and individual liberty. There&#8217;s a lot of room for disagreement within that, but you can&#8217;t assemble a winning national party on a handful of social issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfwood</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/05/a-coalition-i-can-believe-in/#comment-52580</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolfwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that worked awesomely in NY-23.  And in 2008.  The focus on social issues sure kept Creigh Deeds neck-and-neck with Bob McDonnell!

[/sarcasm]

An abandonment of social issues by Republicans will lead to many of their former voters sitting on their hands or actively working against them.  McArdle&#039;s advice is going to lead not to successful runs by folks like Giuliani but third-party runs or even Democrat running candidates not too different from Huckabee.  

Why not look at two of the larger groups, Catholics and Evangelicals.  When they&#039;re conservative on social issues, Republicans have finally started wresting some Catholic votes from the Democrats.  At the same time, socially squishy candidates tend to risk losing Evangelicals.  

McArdle&#039;s plan implies that if social conservatives don&#039;t go along, they&#039;ll wind up powerless; is this &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; that effective for a group raised on stories of wandering in the wilderness, exile, and martyrdom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that worked awesomely in NY-23.  And in 2008.  The focus on social issues sure kept Creigh Deeds neck-and-neck with Bob McDonnell!</p>
<p>[/sarcasm]</p>
<p>An abandonment of social issues by Republicans will lead to many of their former voters sitting on their hands or actively working against them.  McArdle&#8217;s advice is going to lead not to successful runs by folks like Giuliani but third-party runs or even Democrat running candidates not too different from Huckabee.  </p>
<p>Why not look at two of the larger groups, Catholics and Evangelicals.  When they&#8217;re conservative on social issues, Republicans have finally started wresting some Catholic votes from the Democrats.  At the same time, socially squishy candidates tend to risk losing Evangelicals.  </p>
<p>McArdle&#8217;s plan implies that if social conservatives don&#8217;t go along, they&#8217;ll wind up powerless; is this <i>really</i> that effective for a group raised on stories of wandering in the wilderness, exile, and martyrdom?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/05/a-coalition-i-can-believe-in/#comment-52578</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is why it&#039;s brilliant of the democrats to drop gun control as a major issue. They don&#039;t care if individuals are anti-gun, but they&#039;ve quite pushing it as a party. That helps them capture/hold a lot of seats.

I did a post on this recently, but didn&#039;t make my point well. My point being that Republicans should accept that Gay Marriage/legal gay unions are unstoppable and too large a part of our population will absolutely NOT vote for an anti-abortionist. So in some manner the Republicans need to figure out a way to dance around those issues and keep them from being planks of the party.

http://sensiblyprogressive.blogspot.com/2009/11/social-issues-single-issue-voters-etc.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is why it&#8217;s brilliant of the democrats to drop gun control as a major issue. They don&#8217;t care if individuals are anti-gun, but they&#8217;ve quite pushing it as a party. That helps them capture/hold a lot of seats.</p>
<p>I did a post on this recently, but didn&#8217;t make my point well. My point being that Republicans should accept that Gay Marriage/legal gay unions are unstoppable and too large a part of our population will absolutely NOT vote for an anti-abortionist. So in some manner the Republicans need to figure out a way to dance around those issues and keep them from being planks of the party.</p>
<p><a href="http://sensiblyprogressive.blogspot.com/2009/11/social-issues-single-issue-voters-etc.html" rel="nofollow">http://sensiblyprogressive.blogspot.com/2009/11/social-issues-single-issue-voters-etc.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ian Argent</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/05/a-coalition-i-can-believe-in/#comment-52574</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Argent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The governmental power level to regulate the social issues are abhorrent to small-government conservatives. The question is; how many of us are there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The governmental power level to regulate the social issues are abhorrent to small-government conservatives. The question is; how many of us are there?</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle &#187; Let&#8217;s keep the private private</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle &#187; Let&#8217;s keep the private private</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I agree that as long as social issues are at the forefront of the Republican party, they will have a hard time being successful. People, generally, seem more concerned about government largess, spending, economy, taxes, and such than they do about gay cooties and abortion. YMMV. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I agree that as long as social issues are at the forefront of the Republican party, they will have a hard time being successful. People, generally, seem more concerned about government largess, spending, economy, taxes, and such than they do about gay cooties and abortion. YMMV. [...]</p>
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