Comments on: On Establishments That Post http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/03/on-establishments-that-post/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:30:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Clint http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/03/on-establishments-that-post/#comment-52600 Clint Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:01:48 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14010#comment-52600 In Ohio, and most other states, business owners cannot be held liable for misconduct on behalf of a CCW holder. http://www.ohioccw.org/files/JoeBusinessletter.pdf windex1 Said, "What would you do if the owner told you that he and his staff were heavily armed " Are you? Because you were real quick to have gun-owners carry insurance and have us, basically, be law experts (carry the responsibility) when you have very little research on the topic at hand. In Ohio, and most other states, business owners cannot be held liable for misconduct on behalf of a CCW holder.

http://www.ohioccw.org/files/JoeBusinessletter.pdf

windex1 Said,
“What would you do if the owner told you that he and his staff were heavily armed ”

Are you? Because you were real quick to have gun-owners carry insurance and have us, basically, be law experts (carry the responsibility) when you have very little research on the topic at hand.

]]> By: Clint http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/03/on-establishments-that-post/#comment-52599 Clint Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:46:39 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14010#comment-52599 Guys, the only way to win a debate is to put your ideas in terms the other guy understands and excepts. Bible thumpers get nowhere because they base their ideas on the Bible as authority. News Flash! If the other people respected the Bible as a source of authority, you WOULDN'T NEED TO tell them to follow the Bible, they would already be doing it. Rephasing the debate an THEIR terms is not manipulation. Every time I use the "I’m not going to spend any money anywhere that denies me the courtesy of respecting my state-sanctioned right to carry a firearm." The reply is a usually rude take on "Good, we don't want your business!" BTW, is is a God-given right. Guys, the only way to win a debate is to put your ideas in terms the other guy understands and excepts. Bible thumpers get nowhere because they base their ideas on the Bible as authority. News Flash! If the other people respected the Bible as a source of authority, you WOULDN’T NEED TO tell them to follow the Bible, they would already be doing it.

Rephasing the debate an THEIR terms is not manipulation.

Every time I use the “I’m not going to spend any money anywhere that denies me the courtesy of respecting my state-sanctioned right to carry a firearm.” The reply is a usually rude take on “Good, we don’t want your business!”

BTW, is is a God-given right.

]]> By: Means and Ends | Snowflakes in Hell http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/03/on-establishments-that-post/#comment-52550 Means and Ends | Snowflakes in Hell Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:13:02 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14010#comment-52550 [...] regards to my post from earlier thinking about a novel tactic to use on businesses that post, it brings up the issue of means and ends. Saul Alinsky, the great leftist organizer of the 20th [...] [...] regards to my post from earlier thinking about a novel tactic to use on businesses that post, it brings up the issue of means and ends. Saul Alinsky, the great leftist organizer of the 20th [...]

]]> By: Sailorcurt http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/03/on-establishments-that-post/#comment-52548 Sailorcurt Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:58:18 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14010#comment-52548 It's called honor and no, winning a minor political political battle like getting a sign taken down at a restaurant doesn't justify compromising it. How will they find out? Well, I'm pretty certain that anti-gunners frequent gun blogs just like we frequent theirs...you just told them. Even if no one ever does it, you can bet we'll be accused of it. And every time we point out their use of subterfuge, they'll be able to point to this and say "see, your side does it too". Thanks. That aught to make convincing the fence sitters easier. "We're all a bunch of liars with no integrity, but you shouldn't have a problem with us carrying guns around all day." Yup...that'll work great. Of course, if we ARE a bunch of liars with no integrity, I'm not so sure we SHOULD be carrying guns around all day. It’s called honor and no, winning a minor political political battle like getting a sign taken down at a restaurant doesn’t justify compromising it.

How will they find out? Well, I’m pretty certain that anti-gunners frequent gun blogs just like we frequent theirs…you just told them.

Even if no one ever does it, you can bet we’ll be accused of it. And every time we point out their use of subterfuge, they’ll be able to point to this and say “see, your side does it too”.

Thanks. That aught to make convincing the fence sitters easier. “We’re all a bunch of liars with no integrity, but you shouldn’t have a problem with us carrying guns around all day.”

Yup…that’ll work great.

Of course, if we ARE a bunch of liars with no integrity, I’m not so sure we SHOULD be carrying guns around all day.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/03/on-establishments-that-post/#comment-52543 Sebastian Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:04:05 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14010#comment-52543 How is it going to cause a backlash? Unless you say "I'm a pro gun guy, and I am clearly just trying to make you think about this issue in a different way." he's going to have no idea. How is it going to cause a backlash? Unless you say “I’m a pro gun guy, and I am clearly just trying to make you think about this issue in a different way.” he’s going to have no idea.

]]> By: Bob S. http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/03/on-establishments-that-post/#comment-52542 Bob S. Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:01:07 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14010#comment-52542 Sebastian, How do you square this approach with your thoughts on Open Carry? It seems if we should take a balanced approach and not do anything that might produce a backlash regarding Open Carry isn't a little ironic that you are propose doing something could cast doubts on the integrity and honesty of 2nd amendment advocates? Sebastian,

How do you square this approach with your thoughts on Open Carry?

It seems if we should take a balanced approach and not do anything that might produce a backlash regarding Open Carry isn’t a little ironic that you are propose doing something could cast doubts on the integrity and honesty of 2nd amendment advocates?

]]> By: - 3 Boxes of BS http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/03/on-establishments-that-post/#comment-52535 - 3 Boxes of BS Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:02:30 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14010#comment-52535 [...] Head over there and read the post and the comments. [...] [...] Head over there and read the post and the comments. [...]

]]> By: Interesting approach to restaurants that post - Tennessee Gun Owners http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/03/on-establishments-that-post/#comment-52524 Interesting approach to restaurants that post - Tennessee Gun Owners Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:51:20 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14010#comment-52524 [...] That said, this blogger has an interesting approach to dealing with restaurants that have posted: On Establishments That Post | Snowflakes in Hell [...] [...] That said, this blogger has an interesting approach to dealing with restaurants that have posted: On Establishments That Post | Snowflakes in Hell [...]

]]> By: Robert http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/03/on-establishments-that-post/#comment-52519 Robert Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:37:00 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14010#comment-52519 Oh, and that 4.2 mill Wal-Mart shooting? If you had 36 cases of car theft and aggravated assault in your place of business in 2 years, I'd expect that you'd have problems with lawsuits as well, especially if you still didn't have security by that time. Oh, and that 4.2 mill Wal-Mart shooting? If you had 36 cases of car theft and aggravated assault in your place of business in 2 years, I’d expect that you’d have problems with lawsuits as well, especially if you still didn’t have security by that time.

]]> By: Link P http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/03/on-establishments-that-post/#comment-52517 Link P Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:28:51 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=14010#comment-52517 @windex1 I like that. If I ever open a restaurant, I may have to post a "No Guns, No Service" sign. :-D @windex1

I like that. If I ever open a restaurant, I may have to post a “No Guns, No Service” sign. :-D

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