Comments on: Clayton Cramer on Open Carry http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/11/clayton-cramer-on-open-carry/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:54:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Big Gay Al http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/11/clayton-cramer-on-open-carry/#comment-51640 Big Gay Al Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:35:22 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13492#comment-51640 Gee, I guess the idea of two gay guys openly carrying pistols and kissing in public would be too much, huh. ;) Gee, I guess the idea of two gay guys openly carrying pistols and kissing in public would be too much, huh. ;)

]]> By: Jeff the Baptist http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/11/clayton-cramer-on-open-carry/#comment-51124 Jeff the Baptist Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:53:35 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13492#comment-51124 "I’m saying that open-carry shouldn’t be done because handgun ownership has not yet been normalized, at least in many places. " In most of the urban areas with the strongest gun laws, handgun ownership is the most "normal" form of firearms ownership. People in urban communities don't hunt. You're mostly going to see a few shotguns and lots of pistols in nightstands. That might not be the case in places with near prohibitions like NY or NJ, but I know it's the case in some very blue areas like Baltimore. “I’m saying that open-carry shouldn’t be done because handgun ownership has not yet been normalized, at least in many places. ”

In most of the urban areas with the strongest gun laws, handgun ownership is the most “normal” form of firearms ownership. People in urban communities don’t hunt. You’re mostly going to see a few shotguns and lots of pistols in nightstands. That might not be the case in places with near prohibitions like NY or NJ, but I know it’s the case in some very blue areas like Baltimore.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/11/clayton-cramer-on-open-carry/#comment-51045 Sebastian Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:41:05 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13492#comment-51045 Glad I didn't disappoint, Mike. Glad I didn’t disappoint, Mike.

]]> By: Mike Vanderboegh http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/11/clayton-cramer-on-open-carry/#comment-51043 Mike Vanderboegh Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:34:18 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13492#comment-51043 "Clayton Cramer has a column up on the open carry issue that I think just about perfectly reflects my own view on the matter." Well, there's a big surprise. Mike III “Clayton Cramer has a column up on the open carry issue that I think just about perfectly reflects my own view on the matter.”

Well, there’s a big surprise.

Mike
III

]]> By: Tom http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/11/clayton-cramer-on-open-carry/#comment-51034 Tom Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:35:45 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13492#comment-51034 Sorry Peter, I know gays, I work with gays, I even hang out with them. Almost all of them were pushed there as children by mental or physical abuse and other forms of conditioning. I'm not buying the "born that way" argument as there's no biological reason for it. Same thing happens with a lot of the gun haters and anti-gunners. My only problem with gays or any other minority is the constant push for extra-equality and the teflon status that they want to hold...just like if you disagree with Obomber you're a racist, you disagree with them you get labeled a homophobe. As far as linking guns with gays...we get that smear enough from the antis. I can't see the fudd types supporting a campaign like that. I can think of quite a few "punny" things right now that are in somewhat bad taste. I'll skip them as I'm already gagging thinking about MikeB sucking his foot yet again. The pink pistols do a good enough job covering that angle anyway, at least when they get coverage. There's really not much that you could throw out in the media that would sway anyone over, say 15 or so. You want to destigmatize guns you find a way to mainstream the positive to kids, but you have to cross the nanny stater mine field to get there. To put it in Roman Polanski terms..."if you can't find a good woman, raise one." Sorry Peter, I know gays, I work with gays, I even hang out with them. Almost all of them were pushed there as children by mental or physical abuse and other forms of conditioning. I’m not buying the “born that way” argument as there’s no biological reason for it.

Same thing happens with a lot of the gun haters and anti-gunners.

My only problem with gays or any other minority is the constant push for extra-equality and the teflon status that they want to hold…just like if you disagree with Obomber you’re a racist, you disagree with them you get labeled a homophobe.

As far as linking guns with gays…we get that smear enough from the antis. I can’t see the fudd types supporting a campaign like that. I can think of quite a few “punny” things right now that are in somewhat bad taste. I’ll skip them as I’m already gagging thinking about MikeB sucking his foot yet again. The pink pistols do a good enough job covering that angle anyway, at least when they get coverage. There’s really not much that you could throw out in the media that would sway anyone over, say 15 or so. You want to destigmatize guns you find a way to mainstream the positive to kids, but you have to cross the nanny stater mine field to get there.

To put it in Roman Polanski terms…”if you can’t find a good woman, raise one.”

]]> By: MicroBalrog http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/11/clayton-cramer-on-open-carry/#comment-51024 MicroBalrog Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:39:14 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13492#comment-51024 "The desperate cry of bigots everywhere as they lose ground." Hummingbird. Mars. “The desperate cry of bigots everywhere as they lose ground.”

Hummingbird. Mars.

]]> By: Wolfwood http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/11/clayton-cramer-on-open-carry/#comment-51023 Wolfwood Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:38:45 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13492#comment-51023 <i>“In normal modern society, guns are not necessary and are actually a major liability.” Why do cops carry guns then MikeB?</i> They carry guns because it's too heavy to carry a...wait, nevermind. Hmm. “In normal modern society, guns are not necessary and are actually a major liability.”

Why do cops carry guns then MikeB?

They carry guns because it’s too heavy to carry a…wait, nevermind. Hmm.

]]> By: MicroBalrog http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/11/clayton-cramer-on-open-carry/#comment-51022 MicroBalrog Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:37:04 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13492#comment-51022 Mr. Carmel, I have replied to you by email. Mr. Carmel, I have replied to you by email.

]]> By: Mike w. http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/11/clayton-cramer-on-open-carry/#comment-51020 Mike w. Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:19:52 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13492#comment-51020 "In normal modern society, guns are not necessary and are actually a major liability." Why do cops carry guns then MikeB? “In normal modern society, guns are not necessary and are actually a major liability.”

Why do cops carry guns then MikeB?

]]> By: Matt Carmel http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/11/clayton-cramer-on-open-carry/#comment-51014 Matt Carmel Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:57:37 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13492#comment-51014 Off topic question for MicroBalrog. Is there any provision in Israeli law that would permit me as a visiting US citizen to carry concealed or to obtain an Israeli carry permit? Please response to mcarmel@constitutionarms.com. Off topic question for MicroBalrog. Is there any provision in Israeli law that would permit me as a visiting US citizen to carry concealed or to obtain an Israeli carry permit? Please response to mcarmel@constitutionarms.com.

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