Comments on: Hypocrisy Much? http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/04/hypocrisy-much/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:54:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Philbert http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/04/hypocrisy-much/#comment-50743 Philbert Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:39:18 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13352#comment-50743 I'm surprised that this is still going on. I grant that this post was an avoidable mistake, but let's keep it in perspective. It was corrected within minutes - a time short enough that Sebastien could have thrown this post down the memory hole as has been done many times in electronic media both amateur and professional. Instead, he let the world see his mistake and its correction, which led to Instapundit and at least one other site (see the trackbacks) also correcting this story. A little credit is due, I think. I’m surprised that this is still going on. I grant that this post was an avoidable mistake, but let’s keep it in perspective. It was corrected within minutes – a time short enough that Sebastien could have thrown this post down the memory hole as has been done many times in electronic media both amateur and professional. Instead, he let the world see his mistake and its correction, which led to Instapundit and at least one other site (see the trackbacks) also correcting this story. A little credit is due, I think.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/04/hypocrisy-much/#comment-50738 Sebastian Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:13:34 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13352#comment-50738 I think we all have a responsibility for fact checking, the question comes once error is realized, what is the response? I stated what I meant poorly in the update. I think we all have a responsibility for fact checking, the question comes once error is realized, what is the response? I stated what I meant poorly in the update.

]]> By: A. Huddleston http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/04/hypocrisy-much/#comment-50735 A. Huddleston Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:20:28 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13352#comment-50735 Nevermind. I was wrong. Glenn is I guess relatively more at fault. I think your second update is what just teed me off--the suggestion that somebody somewhere has some responsibility but there is no responsibility for bloggers in general. Nevermind. I was wrong. Glenn is I guess relatively more at fault. I think your second update is what just teed me off–the suggestion that somebody somewhere has some responsibility but there is no responsibility for bloggers in general.

]]> By: A. Huddleston http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/04/hypocrisy-much/#comment-50711 A. Huddleston Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:22:19 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13352#comment-50711 Bitter: Um... the mea culpa didn't come 'til the last comment last night at 9:22pm. And then it came with a little slap at the end suggesting I could just be a troll. So I was responding to that. While I appreciate the (eventual) mea culpa, surely you can understand that throwing the word "troll" at the end reflects something short of accountability? As for Glenn--yes absolutely, I'd be railing there if comments were allowed. On the other hand, Sebastian is the one who spread the "gossip" picked up from some open forum, and then Glenn only linked here. As for accountability, fair enough. Nevertheless, accountability IS important and it's good for everyone! Bitter: Um… the mea culpa didn’t come ’til the last comment last night at 9:22pm. And then it came with a little slap at the end suggesting I could just be a troll. So I was responding to that. While I appreciate the (eventual) mea culpa, surely you can understand that throwing the word “troll” at the end reflects something short of accountability?

As for Glenn–yes absolutely, I’d be railing there if comments were allowed. On the other hand, Sebastian is the one who spread the “gossip” picked up from some open forum, and then Glenn only linked here.

As for accountability, fair enough. Nevertheless, accountability IS important and it’s good for everyone!

]]> By: Bitter http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/04/hypocrisy-much/#comment-50706 Bitter Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:39:25 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13352#comment-50706 How is it you always hear him talking about accountability while also being new here? We know you're new here since this is the only post you ever commented on and you continue to beat your chest even though the issue has long been corrected. In fact, I've been patiently waiting for you to rail against Glenn. Considering the only post you've ever followed and trolled was linked by Glenn and your focus of anger was on bloggers, I assumed you had a link due to your time at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville. Is this really a beef with Glenn that you're expressing here because we allow comments and he does not? This site is far from an echo chamber, but at this point, you're really just screaming the same thing over and over again when rational people have accepted the mea culpa and moved on. How is it you always hear him talking about accountability while also being new here? We know you’re new here since this is the only post you ever commented on and you continue to beat your chest even though the issue has long been corrected.

In fact, I’ve been patiently waiting for you to rail against Glenn. Considering the only post you’ve ever followed and trolled was linked by Glenn and your focus of anger was on bloggers, I assumed you had a link due to your time at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville. Is this really a beef with Glenn that you’re expressing here because we allow comments and he does not?

This site is far from an echo chamber, but at this point, you’re really just screaming the same thing over and over again when rational people have accepted the mea culpa and moved on.

]]> By: Carl from Chicago http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/04/hypocrisy-much/#comment-50705 Carl from Chicago Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:38:12 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13352#comment-50705 Huddleston: You claim you're new and by way of introduction, you refer to us as "your kind?" Gee ... you really know how to win friends and influence people. Huddleston:

You claim you’re new and by way of introduction, you refer to us as “your kind?”

Gee … you really know how to win friends and influence people.

]]> By: A. Huddleston http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/04/hypocrisy-much/#comment-50704 A. Huddleston Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:23:40 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13352#comment-50704 Not a troll. Just looking for a little of that accountability I always hear your kind talking about. I'm sorry. I'm new here. I didn't realize you wanted an echo chamber. But I will accept what you've offered. I will say that Glenn doesn't get off the hook either though. He couldn't run his blog like he does, meaning constant new links that keep traffic coming back? I'm sure that's true. But perhaps by taking more time, he could offer more in depth treatment of subjects than just drive-bys. And then again, we'd avoid repeating false gossip and the damage that can be caused. Not a troll. Just looking for a little of that accountability I always hear your kind talking about. I’m sorry. I’m new here. I didn’t realize you wanted an echo chamber.

But I will accept what you’ve offered.

I will say that Glenn doesn’t get off the hook either though. He couldn’t run his blog like he does, meaning constant new links that keep traffic coming back? I’m sure that’s true. But perhaps by taking more time, he could offer more in depth treatment of subjects than just drive-bys. And then again, we’d avoid repeating false gossip and the damage that can be caused.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/04/hypocrisy-much/#comment-50682 Sebastian Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:22:46 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13352#comment-50682 I should have checked his NRA grade before linking it, I'll give you that. But I don't make those kinds of mistakes very often, and am normally more careful. Look, don't think I don't feel bad about getting it wrong. The guy is A rated and endorsed. But I did what I could when I found out the report linked to was misleading about his position on the issue. And in order to win a libel lawsuit as a public figure, he has to prove malice on my part, which since I corrected the record when I became aware, would indicate I'm not strictly liable for. Bloggers, reporters, and forums make mistakes, but the greatest duty is on the person originating the story. Someone like Glenn Reynolds couldn't run his blog if he had to fact check every single thing he linked. I have a different format than he does, which is why I should have checked. So take that as an admission of an error on my part, and an apology for the mistake, and a vow that I'll try to strive for better next time. But if you're interest is in trolling, I would suggest going elsewhere. I should have checked his NRA grade before linking it, I’ll give you that. But I don’t make those kinds of mistakes very often, and am normally more careful.

Look, don’t think I don’t feel bad about getting it wrong. The guy is A rated and endorsed. But I did what I could when I found out the report linked to was misleading about his position on the issue.

And in order to win a libel lawsuit as a public figure, he has to prove malice on my part, which since I corrected the record when I became aware, would indicate I’m not strictly liable for.

Bloggers, reporters, and forums make mistakes, but the greatest duty is on the person originating the story. Someone like Glenn Reynolds couldn’t run his blog if he had to fact check every single thing he linked. I have a different format than he does, which is why I should have checked.

So take that as an admission of an error on my part, and an apology for the mistake, and a vow that I’ll try to strive for better next time.

But if you’re interest is in trolling, I would suggest going elsewhere.

]]> By: A. Huddleston http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/04/hypocrisy-much/#comment-50678 A. Huddleston Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:52:46 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13352#comment-50678 "I had this post corrected within 15 minutes of posting it... " Which shows in crystal clear fashion how little it would've taken for you to fact check in the FIRST place. The "system" of fact-checking works too! And you can avoid misinformation, libel, unjustly destroyed reputations and potential lawsuits. But I guess those things don't mean anything to you. “I had this post corrected within 15 minutes of posting it… ”

Which shows in crystal clear fashion how little it would’ve taken for you to fact check in the FIRST place.

The “system” of fact-checking works too! And you can avoid misinformation, libel, unjustly destroyed reputations and potential lawsuits. But I guess those things don’t mean anything to you.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/10/04/hypocrisy-much/#comment-50672 Sebastian Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:30:19 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13352#comment-50672 I don't lend any credibility to GOA's ratings unless I see what votes they consider "going against gun owners" Hell, GOA would probably rank a vote for public option as against gun owners at this point with as much noise as they've made. Not that I like public option, but it has nothing to do with guns. I don’t lend any credibility to GOA’s ratings unless I see what votes they consider “going against gun owners” Hell, GOA would probably rank a vote for public option as against gun owners at this point with as much noise as they’ve made.

Not that I like public option, but it has nothing to do with guns.

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