Comments on: Why MAIG Isn’t a Minor Threat http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/28/why-maig-isnt-a-minor-threat/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:54:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: CeaseFire PA Endorses MAIG Mayors | Snowflakes in Hell http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/28/why-maig-isnt-a-minor-threat/#comment-52177 CeaseFire PA Endorses MAIG Mayors | Snowflakes in Hell Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:02:13 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13226#comment-52177 [...] I’ve said, MAIG isn’t a joke. They are probing for vulnerabilities. If they find we’re vulnerable at the local level, you [...] [...] I’ve said, MAIG isn’t a joke. They are probing for vulnerabilities. If they find we’re vulnerable at the local level, you [...]

]]> By: Snowflakes in Hell » Blog Archive » Bloomberg’s Sting in Detail http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/28/why-maig-isnt-a-minor-threat/#comment-50959 Snowflakes in Hell » Blog Archive » Bloomberg’s Sting in Detail Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:43:14 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13226#comment-50959 [...] kind of ties back in to my post about MAIG being a serious threat. But you can look at the PDF of Bloomberg’s gun show sting here, which shows considerable [...] [...] kind of ties back in to my post about MAIG being a serious threat. But you can look at the PDF of Bloomberg’s gun show sting here, which shows considerable [...]

]]> By: Thane Eichenauer http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/28/why-maig-isnt-a-minor-threat/#comment-50207 Thane Eichenauer Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:28:10 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13226#comment-50207 @4 Carl, Commercial is a arbitrary term used to justify arbitrary government rules. Lucky hey? I don't see it that way, but maybe I'm just too paranoid about the ability of government power to expand. @4 Carl,
Commercial is a arbitrary term used to justify arbitrary government rules. Lucky hey? I don’t see it that way, but maybe I’m just too paranoid about the ability of government power to expand.

]]> By: Carl in Chicago http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/28/why-maig-isnt-a-minor-threat/#comment-50160 Carl in Chicago Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:31:09 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13226#comment-50160 This is also why the gun control masterminds ultimately want registration (foreclosing private sales is a step in that direction). That way, any firearm that the owner failed to register, or neglected to register, or had registration lapse, etc. (you get the point) would instantly become an "illegal gun" and subject to confiscation. Luckily for us, the Supreme Court said that presumptively lawful are regulations on commercial sale of arms. I dare say that a private sale of a firearm from one person to another is not a "commercial sale." This is also why the gun control masterminds ultimately want registration (foreclosing private sales is a step in that direction). That way, any firearm that the owner failed to register, or neglected to register, or had registration lapse, etc. (you get the point) would instantly become an “illegal gun” and subject to confiscation.

Luckily for us, the Supreme Court said that presumptively lawful are regulations on commercial sale of arms. I dare say that a private sale of a firearm from one person to another is not a “commercial sale.”

]]> By: Carl in Chicago http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/28/why-maig-isnt-a-minor-threat/#comment-50154 Carl in Chicago Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:12:47 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13226#comment-50154 This is one of the most lucid blogs I have read in a while. Very nice, Sebastian, and appreciated. Mikeb ... if you cannot recognize that MAIGs agenda is larger than "just fighting against illegal guns, period" then you have a brain density issue. What it boils down to is, well, read the blog above. At the bottom line, guns aren't illegal. In fact, they are constitutionally protected objects. However, various actions of people are illegal. When a firearm is purchased via a "straw buyer", you and Bloomie might say "that's an illegal gun." But it was the action of the straw purchase that was illegal. This, and any other so-called "gun violence prevention" issue is a crime-fighting issue. But Bloomberg is smart, and, like the Brady's and the Joyce groups, wants this to remain a "fighting against guns" issue. Gun control generally was, and still generally is, a misguided effort to shift blame from criminal to object. This phenomenon is widespread and goes far beyond guns and crime. It is part of an "I am never at fault" kind of culture. MAIG's is simply an agenda that centers on the criminalization of firearms ownership in the US. The agenda necessarily involves making more and more activities regarding second amendment rights illegal (private sales, carrying arms for protection, etc). And for them, getting this done depends on deceiving people with brain density issues (including mayors) ... so they incorrectly assume it's "just fighting against illegal guns, period." This is one of the most lucid blogs I have read in a while. Very nice, Sebastian, and appreciated.

Mikeb … if you cannot recognize that MAIGs agenda is larger than “just fighting against illegal guns, period” then you have a brain density issue.

What it boils down to is, well, read the blog above. At the bottom line, guns aren’t illegal. In fact, they are constitutionally protected objects. However, various actions of people are illegal. When a firearm is purchased via a “straw buyer”, you and Bloomie might say “that’s an illegal gun.” But it was the action of the straw purchase that was illegal. This, and any other so-called “gun violence prevention” issue is a crime-fighting issue. But Bloomberg is smart, and, like the Brady’s and the Joyce groups, wants this to remain a “fighting against guns” issue. Gun control generally was, and still generally is, a misguided effort to shift blame from criminal to object. This phenomenon is widespread and goes far beyond guns and crime. It is part of an “I am never at fault” kind of culture.

MAIG’s is simply an agenda that centers on the criminalization of firearms ownership in the US. The agenda necessarily involves making more and more activities regarding second amendment rights illegal (private sales, carrying arms for protection, etc). And for them, getting this done depends on deceiving people with brain density issues (including mayors) … so they incorrectly assume it’s “just fighting against illegal guns, period.”

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/28/why-maig-isnt-a-minor-threat/#comment-50149 Sebastian Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:43:13 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13226#comment-50149 Mike: Bloomberg is against people being able to transport firearms on board Amtrak in the same manner as on aircraft. This is a guy who was quoted as saying “I don’t know why people carry guns. Guns kill people.” I'd say his agenda isn't that hidden. It's certainly not if you go look at the proposals his group already supports. It's about a lot more than keeping illegal guns off the street. We already have laws that do that, hence the term "illegal" what he wants is more laws to make more guns and more types of transactions illegal. That's why his agenda is to be opposed. Mike:

Bloomberg is against people being able to transport firearms on board Amtrak in the same manner as on aircraft. This is a guy who was quoted as saying “I don’t know why people carry guns. Guns kill people.”

I’d say his agenda isn’t that hidden. It’s certainly not if you go look at the proposals his group already supports. It’s about a lot more than keeping illegal guns off the street. We already have laws that do that, hence the term “illegal” what he wants is more laws to make more guns and more types of transactions illegal. That’s why his agenda is to be opposed.

]]> By: mikeb302000 http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/28/why-maig-isnt-a-minor-threat/#comment-50135 mikeb302000 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:28:13 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=13226#comment-50135 Sebastian, Thanks for that beautifully written post. I really enjoyed your descriptions. But, why do you think the troops must be mustered "before it’s too late?" Do you believe the mayors have a hidden agenda and these efforts are only the beginning? I'm surprised that even you seem to be into this, what seems to me, paranoid idea that the MAIG and other gun control groups harbor secret agendas. Why can't they be doing just what they say they are? Why can't they be fighting against illegal guns, period? Why do you see that as a pretext for more dubious efforts? Sebastian, Thanks for that beautifully written post. I really enjoyed your descriptions. But, why do you think the troops must be mustered “before it’s too late?” Do you believe the mayors have a hidden agenda and these efforts are only the beginning?

I’m surprised that even you seem to be into this, what seems to me, paranoid idea that the MAIG and other gun control groups harbor secret agendas. Why can’t they be doing just what they say they are? Why can’t they be fighting against illegal guns, period? Why do you see that as a pretext for more dubious efforts?

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