Comments on: Why is it that speaking out … http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/08/why-is-it-that-speaking-out/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:47:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bitter http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/08/why-is-it-that-speaking-out/#comment-49258 Bitter Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:22:02 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12799#comment-49258 Have you ever been to CPAC to see the kinds of groups he may be implying with that statement? If so, what years? I'm just curious since the quality of exhibitors and speakers does seem to vary from year-to-year. I recall the difference between the first two years I was there, it was like night and day. For some reason, more fringe theory groups with all sorts of conspiracy stories to sell seemed more prevalent in 2002 than 2001. Have you ever been to CPAC to see the kinds of groups he may be implying with that statement? If so, what years? I’m just curious since the quality of exhibitors and speakers does seem to vary from year-to-year. I recall the difference between the first two years I was there, it was like night and day. For some reason, more fringe theory groups with all sorts of conspiracy stories to sell seemed more prevalent in 2002 than 2001.

]]> By: Ken http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/08/why-is-it-that-speaking-out/#comment-49255 Ken Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:38:27 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12799#comment-49255 "There are a couple other demagogues who appeal to our baser instincts that I would like to see CPAC decline to host, too, but this is a very positive step." http://www.thenextright.com/jon-henke/fighting-for-the-right-the-worldnetdaily-story-continues This quote indicates to me that Jon Henke has something more sinister in mind than just taking down WND. This is just his first step in trying to shut down the entire right in talk radio and the blogosphere. “There are a couple other demagogues who appeal to our baser instincts that I would like to see CPAC decline to host, too, but this is a very positive step.”

http://www.thenextright.com/jon-henke/fighting-for-the-right-the-worldnetdaily-story-continues

This quote indicates to me that Jon Henke has something more sinister in mind than just taking down WND. This is just his first step in trying to shut down the entire right in talk radio and the blogosphere.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/08/why-is-it-that-speaking-out/#comment-49249 Sebastian Tue, 08 Sep 2009 22:23:37 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12799#comment-49249 That's a good question. I don't honestly know the answer. But you can probably dismantle some of it. That’s a good question. I don’t honestly know the answer. But you can probably dismantle some of it.

]]> By: N.U.G.U.N. http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/08/why-is-it-that-speaking-out/#comment-49247 N.U.G.U.N. Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:52:14 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12799#comment-49247 "to dismantle the New Deal State, you need to do for a while, you need a bigger tent than the fringes are going to give you." Do you believe it's possible to dismantle the New Deal State? I am not sure I believe such is possible. I do believe we can hold it at bay, delay it some decades, or maybe even push back into Liberty on a few issues (2nd Amendment, eminent domain, etc). But I am not sure I believe America could survive a move far away from the present New Deal State. I think that was the point of many of the policies. They're like fish hooks. Barbed. So once implemented they can't be undone. (ie: Social Security) “to dismantle the New Deal State, you need to do for a while, you need a bigger tent than the fringes are going to give you.”

Do you believe it’s possible to dismantle the New Deal State? I am not sure I believe such is possible. I do believe we can hold it at bay, delay it some decades, or maybe even push back into Liberty on a few issues (2nd Amendment, eminent domain, etc).

But I am not sure I believe America could survive a move far away from the present New Deal State. I think that was the point of many of the policies. They’re like fish hooks. Barbed. So once implemented they can’t be undone. (ie: Social Security)

]]> By: markofafreeman http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/08/why-is-it-that-speaking-out/#comment-49240 markofafreeman Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:01:06 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12799#comment-49240 I remember when Bush the elder was complaining about gridlock. My response was then, and would be now, that gridlock is a GOOD thing. I'd even go so far as to theorize that the Founders hoped for that, to prevent the mad push for bad bill after bad bill faster than anyone can read them. Except one problem. How do you go about *undoing* the damage and *repealing* bad law with gridlock. I remember when Bush the elder was complaining about gridlock. My response was then, and would be now, that gridlock is a GOOD thing. I’d even go so far as to theorize that the Founders hoped for that, to prevent the mad push for bad bill after bad bill faster than anyone can read them.

Except one problem. How do you go about *undoing* the damage and *repealing* bad law with gridlock.

]]> By: Yosemite Sam http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/08/why-is-it-that-speaking-out/#comment-49238 Yosemite Sam Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:49:30 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12799#comment-49238 "but what happens when you try to push a really conservative agenda through and the RINOs say now?" Gridlock. Sounds good to me after 8 months of hope n change. Seriously, there isn't any hope of pushing any agenda or rolling back the Left's agenda for the next 3-1/2 years. Let's take it one step at a time. “but what happens when you try to push a really conservative agenda through and the RINOs say now?”

Gridlock.

Sounds good to me after 8 months of hope n change.

Seriously, there isn’t any hope of pushing any agenda or rolling back the Left’s agenda for the next 3-1/2 years. Let’s take it one step at a time.

]]> By: craig henry http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/08/why-is-it-that-speaking-out/#comment-49237 craig henry Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:12:50 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12799#comment-49237 Right. His call for a boycott is so broad, that there is no possible way to communicate to WND readers. Can't run an ad, can't rent the mailing list, can't invite one of their writers to a conference even if he is a non-birther. The practical effect is shunning the reader because the Next Right wants WND to die of revenue starvation. One other thing, the worst of WND is no worse than the worst of the New Republic. Have you seen Henke or Ruffini call for a similar boycott of TNR? Right. His call for a boycott is so broad, that there is no possible way to communicate to WND readers. Can’t run an ad, can’t rent the mailing list, can’t invite one of their writers to a conference even if he is a non-birther.

The practical effect is shunning the reader because the Next Right wants WND to die of revenue starvation.

One other thing, the worst of WND is no worse than the worst of the New Republic. Have you seen Henke or Ruffini call for a similar boycott of TNR?

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/08/why-is-it-that-speaking-out/#comment-49235 Sebastian Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:58:36 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12799#comment-49235 I should also probably note that I don't particularly agree with Henke's call for a boycott, mostly I think it would be ineffectual. The argument that we have more important things to worry about now is a reasonable one, but I also think Henke's concern is reasonable. I should also probably note that I don’t particularly agree with Henke’s call for a boycott, mostly I think it would be ineffectual. The argument that we have more important things to worry about now is a reasonable one, but I also think Henke’s concern is reasonable.

]]> By: Bitter http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/08/why-is-it-that-speaking-out/#comment-49234 Bitter Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:54:20 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12799#comment-49234 He's asking them not to spend their money propping up WND. That's what support means in this context of spending money on WND resources. He’s asking them not to spend their money propping up WND. That’s what support means in this context of spending money on WND resources.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/09/08/why-is-it-that-speaking-out/#comment-49233 Sebastian Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:54:02 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12799#comment-49233 How is that shunning their readers? I think saying he advocated shunning WND readers is a very different charge than calling for a boycott of organizations that supported WND. How is that shunning their readers? I think saying he advocated shunning WND readers is a very different charge than calling for a boycott of organizations that supported WND.

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