Comments on: The Horrors! http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/the-horrors/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:40:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: vssapresident http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/the-horrors/#comment-48788 vssapresident Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:39:42 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12626#comment-48788 This is the second column this guy has written on the subject. He wrote the first (much the same as this) right after the law took affect in July. I sent him an email and reminded him that even before Cuccinelli's law passed, you did not have to have touched a firearm or ammunition to qualify for a permit - you only had to sit through anything from a hunter safety course (which also does not require range time) to one of many courses taught by an NRA certified instructor (some that do and some that don't require range time). The only difference is now the law clarifies that online or other electronic courses qualify. They were never banned before but some circuit courts (which issue the permits) did not accept them. Robert Marcus is the President of the state firearms retailers association and he has had a number of problems with the city of Norfolk so if Cuccinelli's bill helps him, good. This is the second column this guy has written on the subject. He wrote the first (much the same as this) right after the law took affect in July. I sent him an email and reminded him that even before Cuccinelli’s law passed, you did not have to have touched a firearm or ammunition to qualify for a permit – you only had to sit through anything from a hunter safety course (which also does not require range time) to one of many courses taught by an NRA certified instructor (some that do and some that don’t require range time). The only difference is now the law clarifies that online or other electronic courses qualify. They were never banned before but some circuit courts (which issue the permits) did not accept them.

Robert Marcus is the President of the state firearms retailers association and he has had a number of problems with the city of Norfolk so if Cuccinelli’s bill helps him, good.

]]> By: Weer'd Beard http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/the-horrors/#comment-48773 Weer'd Beard Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:19:18 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12626#comment-48773 Haz-mat the Resident NH permit is the same. $10, and about a week's wait. Marko's PD never even took his money when he reached for his wallet. Just a hair North (or West) is Vermont, no permit needed. If you can own the gun, you can carry the gun. And again except for a few states (like Mass BOOO!) you don't need to do anything besides fill out the ATF form and get a background check to OWN a gun. Essentially after that it's only the law keeping you from carrying. Note that these people never raise an expressed concern about people carrying, just concerned of people breaking the law while carrying. So they have that nice little double standard. Let's say somebody isn't bothered that waiving a gun around, or threatening people, or worse yet assaulting or murdering people with his or her gun is a very serious crime. But somehow this person is concerned about the lesser crime of obeying the permitting process? Huh? When Sung Cho decided to kill a bunch of his classmates, suddenly he didn't seem to mind that his Campus is a "Gun Free Zone" and that carrying his guns there could get him expelled, and that carrying them concealed without a permit would have been a crime.... Haz-mat the Resident NH permit is the same. $10, and about a week’s wait. Marko’s PD never even took his money when he reached for his wallet.

Just a hair North (or West) is Vermont, no permit needed. If you can own the gun, you can carry the gun.

And again except for a few states (like Mass BOOO!) you don’t need to do anything besides fill out the ATF form and get a background check to OWN a gun.

Essentially after that it’s only the law keeping you from carrying.

Note that these people never raise an expressed concern about people carrying, just concerned of people breaking the law while carrying.

So they have that nice little double standard. Let’s say somebody isn’t bothered that waiving a gun around, or threatening people, or worse yet assaulting or murdering people with his or her gun is a very serious crime. But somehow this person is concerned about the lesser crime of obeying the permitting process? Huh?

When Sung Cho decided to kill a bunch of his classmates, suddenly he didn’t seem to mind that his Campus is a “Gun Free Zone” and that carrying his guns there could get him expelled, and that carrying them concealed without a permit would have been a crime….

]]> By: Laughingdog http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/the-horrors/#comment-48753 Laughingdog Tue, 01 Sep 2009 02:58:35 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12626#comment-48753 I think that guy would really crap his pants if it dawned on him that open carry in VA doesn't require a permit at all. I think that guy would really crap his pants if it dawned on him that open carry in VA doesn’t require a permit at all.

]]> By: hazmat http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/the-horrors/#comment-48749 hazmat Tue, 01 Sep 2009 02:22:37 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12626#comment-48749 If they think VA is bad, SD will make them crap their collective chaps. All we have to do is fill out a form at the SO, pay $10, and wait 4-6 weeks for our permits. No classroom or range requirements whatsoever. If they think VA is bad, SD will make them crap their collective chaps. All we have to do is fill out a form at the SO, pay $10, and wait 4-6 weeks for our permits. No classroom or range requirements whatsoever.

]]> By: TheOtherMatt http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/the-horrors/#comment-48745 TheOtherMatt Tue, 01 Sep 2009 01:13:58 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12626#comment-48745 Fairfax County is more restrictive than a lot of other counties. A hunter safety course is also a valid class in most places and those don't require handling of a gun Considering open carry is legal in Virginia without even a permit does it really matter? It's not like someone who wants to break the law is going to bother to apply for the permit Fairfax County is more restrictive than a lot of other counties. A hunter safety course is also a valid class in most places and those don’t require handling of a gun

Considering open carry is legal in Virginia without even a permit does it really matter? It’s not like someone who wants to break the law is going to bother to apply for the permit

]]> By: Andrew http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/the-horrors/#comment-48737 Andrew Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:19:14 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12626#comment-48737 Why would you go out and get the permit, and then not familiarize yourself with the weapon, before and after, that you intend to carry? Or did they do this to promote their agenda?? Hummm, let me think??? Why would you go out and get the permit, and then not familiarize yourself with the weapon, before and after, that you intend to carry?

Or did they do this to promote their agenda?? Hummm, let me think???

]]> By: Chad http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/the-horrors/#comment-48706 Chad Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:05:13 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12626#comment-48706 I wonder what their reaction would be to the way it is up here in VT? I wonder what their reaction would be to the way it is up here in VT?

]]> By: Lornkanaga http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/the-horrors/#comment-48693 Lornkanaga Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:09:02 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12626#comment-48693 Thanks, Matt. I was not aware of that. Thanks, Matt. I was not aware of that.

]]> By: Matt http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/the-horrors/#comment-48692 Matt Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:06:47 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12626#comment-48692 Virginia does not require range time to get a CHP if certain approved courses are taken. The NRA Home Firearm Safety course does not have a range component and can be used to meet the training requirement for a VA CHP. So it is entirely possible to get a CCW in VA without having had to handle a firearm on the range. Virginia does not require range time to get a CHP if certain approved courses are taken. The NRA Home Firearm Safety course does not have a range component and can be used to meet the training requirement for a VA CHP.

So it is entirely possible to get a CCW in VA without having had to handle a firearm on the range.

]]> By: Lornkanaga http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/the-horrors/#comment-48689 Lornkanaga Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:57:22 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12626#comment-48689 Just verified on the VA state police website Resident Carry Permit page. I really have to wonder where the guy got his proof of training; if it's forged or otherwise illegally obtained, he's in big trouble. Just verified on the VA state police website Resident Carry Permit page. I really have to wonder where the guy got his proof of training; if it’s forged or otherwise illegally obtained, he’s in big trouble.

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