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		<title>By: Bill Waites</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/review-fenix-ld10/#comment-48907</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Waites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Multi C/D cell lights have their uses-they definitely make good clubs, if not good flashlights!

Rvrdog, those would be NiMH cells, correct? If you have &quot;lots&quot; of cells and only have had that many fail, consider yourself lucky. My failure rate runs 1/8-10 cells. Essentially all NiMH cells are made in Taiwan, China, or Japan. QC in Taiwan and China sucks, (China makes the vast majority, with Japan number 2 last time I checked0 and NiMH cells are borderline stable when it comes to lifetime when made under very good QC. I&#039;ve spent the last 4+ years, thousands of dollars out of pocket, and living through one nightmare after another because of that quality control and a project I took on. I will never take on a project which relies on Chinese made product again. Unfortunately, there are no US made batteries. 

The only NiMH cells worth buying for everyday use are the newer Sanyo Eneloop cells, which are still made in Japan, (unless that has changed). They hold their charge for much longer, and are much more stable. 

There are a few high discharge applications where the Eneloops don&#039;t work, and specialty high discharge NiMH cells must be used, but so far as I can find, ALL of those are made in China and have very iffy QC. 1 out of 4-5 is probably and exceptionally LOW failure rate for those cells. 

Fortunately, the Energizer Lithium cells are very well made, and I have remotes that have had them in them for 3-4 years without replacement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Multi C/D cell lights have their uses-they definitely make good clubs, if not good flashlights!</p>
<p>Rvrdog, those would be NiMH cells, correct? If you have &#8220;lots&#8221; of cells and only have had that many fail, consider yourself lucky. My failure rate runs 1/8-10 cells. Essentially all NiMH cells are made in Taiwan, China, or Japan. QC in Taiwan and China sucks, (China makes the vast majority, with Japan number 2 last time I checked0 and NiMH cells are borderline stable when it comes to lifetime when made under very good QC. I&#8217;ve spent the last 4+ years, thousands of dollars out of pocket, and living through one nightmare after another because of that quality control and a project I took on. I will never take on a project which relies on Chinese made product again. Unfortunately, there are no US made batteries. </p>
<p>The only NiMH cells worth buying for everyday use are the newer Sanyo Eneloop cells, which are still made in Japan, (unless that has changed). They hold their charge for much longer, and are much more stable. </p>
<p>There are a few high discharge applications where the Eneloops don&#8217;t work, and specialty high discharge NiMH cells must be used, but so far as I can find, ALL of those are made in China and have very iffy QC. 1 out of 4-5 is probably and exceptionally LOW failure rate for those cells. </p>
<p>Fortunately, the Energizer Lithium cells are very well made, and I have remotes that have had them in them for 3-4 years without replacement.</p>
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		<title>By: Rivrdog</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/review-fenix-ld10/#comment-48900</link>
		<dc:creator>Rivrdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have used rechargeable AAs in LED lights since the first weak LED models came out about 8 years ago. I have a LOT of rechargeable AAs, and about 6 chargers. About 5 different manufacturers for the cells, and three different for the chargers.

I&#039;m now finding sudden failures in my inventory of rechargeable cells. Two from UniRoss (2000 mah) and one from X1 (2400 mah). I recharge all my cells once a month, and have noticed all three duds when putting freshly-charged cells into various equipment, which then does not work. The dud cells are either internally shorted or open.

I&#039;m still using mini-mags for pocket lights (not weapon lights), and full-size 4-cell Mag Lites with a 5W Led conversion (Luxeon Star 2G).

As a survivalist person, I&#039;m more interested in longevity of the light for general work than lighting up a target (which I will do with large 12-volt rechargeable H4 spotlights so as to be able to reach out to the max range of my rifle). I&#039;m not interested in CQB with lighted weapons. If I have to engage in CQB, I&#039;ll do it in the dark, giving ME the advantage over the enemy who lights off a flashlight or uses night sights. Yes, I DO practice sneaking up on an unmanned night-sighted pistol in total darkness....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have used rechargeable AAs in LED lights since the first weak LED models came out about 8 years ago. I have a LOT of rechargeable AAs, and about 6 chargers. About 5 different manufacturers for the cells, and three different for the chargers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m now finding sudden failures in my inventory of rechargeable cells. Two from UniRoss (2000 mah) and one from X1 (2400 mah). I recharge all my cells once a month, and have noticed all three duds when putting freshly-charged cells into various equipment, which then does not work. The dud cells are either internally shorted or open.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still using mini-mags for pocket lights (not weapon lights), and full-size 4-cell Mag Lites with a 5W Led conversion (Luxeon Star 2G).</p>
<p>As a survivalist person, I&#8217;m more interested in longevity of the light for general work than lighting up a target (which I will do with large 12-volt rechargeable H4 spotlights so as to be able to reach out to the max range of my rifle). I&#8217;m not interested in CQB with lighted weapons. If I have to engage in CQB, I&#8217;ll do it in the dark, giving ME the advantage over the enemy who lights off a flashlight or uses night sights. Yes, I DO practice sneaking up on an unmanned night-sighted pistol in total darkness&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/review-fenix-ld10/#comment-48897</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely true.  Of course, there were some advantages to the old multiple D battery mag lights.  Back when I was in college, before I had guns or a license to carry, I carried a big old mag light in my vehicle.  No cop could give you crap for carrying a flashlight in your car, and the aluminum body, combined with the weight of the batteries, would have cracked a skull pretty easily if it needed to come to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely true.  Of course, there were some advantages to the old multiple D battery mag lights.  Back when I was in college, before I had guns or a license to carry, I carried a big old mag light in my vehicle.  No cop could give you crap for carrying a flashlight in your car, and the aluminum body, combined with the weight of the batteries, would have cracked a skull pretty easily if it needed to come to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Waites</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/review-fenix-ld10/#comment-48895</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Waites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sebastian, 

No doubt, but compare the 123 diameter to a C/D cell, and it seems puny!

The AAA Fenix light is an ideal size for a pocket light, finally something in the same form factor as the Maglite solitaire, but with decent output! 

The limiting factor for smaller lights has always been the batteries, AA/AAA cells are limited to 1.5 volts, and until the advent of the LED they just couldn&#039;t get it done. Now with boost circuitry, a single 1.5 volt cell can be boosted to produce 3 volts, and the world has opened up in that regard. Run time isn&#039;t what the 123 can provide, but it&#039;s like a handgun. (You use a handgun to fight your way to a rifle. You use a pocket light to find a bigger flashlight!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sebastian, </p>
<p>No doubt, but compare the 123 diameter to a C/D cell, and it seems puny!</p>
<p>The AAA Fenix light is an ideal size for a pocket light, finally something in the same form factor as the Maglite solitaire, but with decent output! </p>
<p>The limiting factor for smaller lights has always been the batteries, AA/AAA cells are limited to 1.5 volts, and until the advent of the LED they just couldn&#8217;t get it done. Now with boost circuitry, a single 1.5 volt cell can be boosted to produce 3 volts, and the world has opened up in that regard. Run time isn&#8217;t what the 123 can provide, but it&#8217;s like a handgun. (You use a handgun to fight your way to a rifle. You use a pocket light to find a bigger flashlight!)</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/review-fenix-ld10/#comment-48880</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My problem with the 123 cells is you&#039;re automatically looking at a larger flashlight to accommodate the greater diameter of the battery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem with the 123 cells is you&#8217;re automatically looking at a larger flashlight to accommodate the greater diameter of the battery.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Waites</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/review-fenix-ld10/#comment-48875</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Waites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry guys, but the future is Lithium (in some form) powered lights for multiple reasons, not the least being the denser power output of lithium cells, and their much longer shelf life. The Energizer AA, AAA lithiums are a good start, but with only one manufacturer, it is hard for the flashlight world to jump on board that train, and Energizer owns the patent on the formulation that allows the 1.5 volt outputs.

123 cells aren&#039;t that expensive bought in bulk, there are plenty of $1.25 cells if you look around. 

Lithium rechargeables are probably the future, but the form factor has created some issues so far. That will change, and is changing, but for now we&#039;re a little stuck. The LED technology is changing much faster than anyone forecast, so maybe the battery world will catch up soon. 

Yes, they are more expensive, but for lights left in drawers for years, they are a much better option! 

Beaumont, the Lithium cells are famous for showing a surface charge of 3+ volts, but dying as soon as a good load is placed on them, and it typically happens in multicell lights that one cell is completely discharged, while the other cell(s) show good. They aren&#039;t really, but they look good on a voltmeter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry guys, but the future is Lithium (in some form) powered lights for multiple reasons, not the least being the denser power output of lithium cells, and their much longer shelf life. The Energizer AA, AAA lithiums are a good start, but with only one manufacturer, it is hard for the flashlight world to jump on board that train, and Energizer owns the patent on the formulation that allows the 1.5 volt outputs.</p>
<p>123 cells aren&#8217;t that expensive bought in bulk, there are plenty of $1.25 cells if you look around. </p>
<p>Lithium rechargeables are probably the future, but the form factor has created some issues so far. That will change, and is changing, but for now we&#8217;re a little stuck. The LED technology is changing much faster than anyone forecast, so maybe the battery world will catch up soon. </p>
<p>Yes, they are more expensive, but for lights left in drawers for years, they are a much better option! </p>
<p>Beaumont, the Lithium cells are famous for showing a surface charge of 3+ volts, but dying as soon as a good load is placed on them, and it typically happens in multicell lights that one cell is completely discharged, while the other cell(s) show good. They aren&#8217;t really, but they look good on a voltmeter.</p>
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		<title>By: Beaumont Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/review-fenix-ld10/#comment-48873</link>
		<dc:creator>Beaumont Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another issue I&#039;ve found with any multi-battery light using 123s is that, as the batteries age, some will lose charge faster than others. I have found this with SureFires, Streamlights, and Duracells.

I discarded several before thinking to check the batteries with a meter. Without fail, one would be discharged, and one would still be good.

Fenix seems to make some good lights. For me, the future is AA lights, rechargeable conversions for my SureFires, and possibly single-battery 123 lights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another issue I&#8217;ve found with any multi-battery light using 123s is that, as the batteries age, some will lose charge faster than others. I have found this with SureFires, Streamlights, and Duracells.</p>
<p>I discarded several before thinking to check the batteries with a meter. Without fail, one would be discharged, and one would still be good.</p>
<p>Fenix seems to make some good lights. For me, the future is AA lights, rechargeable conversions for my SureFires, and possibly single-battery 123 lights.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/review-fenix-ld10/#comment-48867</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looked at one these at a local gun show,and thought they were neat little lights, but didn&#039;t known much about them. Thanks for the review, I might take a second look at these lights to replace my G2 or E2 lights, which use expensive CR123 batteries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looked at one these at a local gun show,and thought they were neat little lights, but didn&#8217;t known much about them. Thanks for the review, I might take a second look at these lights to replace my G2 or E2 lights, which use expensive CR123 batteries.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle &#187; Flashlight Blogging</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/review-fenix-ld10/#comment-48865</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle &#187; Flashlight Blogging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sebastian reviews the Fenix LD10. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sebastian reviews the Fenix LD10. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/31/review-fenix-ld10/#comment-48800</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a much whiter light, which you&#039;d expect from an LCD.  Strong center beam, with a softer, wider beam around it.  It&#039;s very bright looking at it.  At least as blinding as the Surefire, plus it has a dazzle option you won&#039;t get with a Xenon lamp flashlight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a much whiter light, which you&#8217;d expect from an LCD.  Strong center beam, with a softer, wider beam around it.  It&#8217;s very bright looking at it.  At least as blinding as the Surefire, plus it has a dazzle option you won&#8217;t get with a Xenon lamp flashlight.</p>
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