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	<title>Comments on: Good Luck, But I&#8217;m Not Optimistic</title>
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	<description>The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ...</description>
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		<title>By: noflashbang</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/25/good-luck-but-im-not-optimistic/#comment-48463</link>
		<dc:creator>noflashbang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You only need to look at Montana&#039;s Constitution to see how we feel:

Section 1. Popular sovereignty. All political power is vested in and derived from the people. All government of right originates with the people, is founded upon their will only, and is instituted solely for the good of the whole. 

      Section 2. Self-government. The people have the exclusive right of governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent state. They may alter or abolish the constitution and form of government whenever they deem it necessary. 

While I don&#039;t think anything worse that a few grumpy people will come of this situation, it will change how people feel about the federal goverment. People in Montana don&#039;t like the federal goverment getting in our way. Everytime the feds do somthing like this it give us another reason to hate them, and we come one step closer to saying &quot;Screw it, you&#039;ve become more of a problem than your worth. We are done.&quot;

Oh, and did I mention that we like guns?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK9KuIiugT4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You only need to look at Montana&#8217;s Constitution to see how we feel:</p>
<p>Section 1. Popular sovereignty. All political power is vested in and derived from the people. All government of right originates with the people, is founded upon their will only, and is instituted solely for the good of the whole. </p>
<p>      Section 2. Self-government. The people have the exclusive right of governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent state. They may alter or abolish the constitution and form of government whenever they deem it necessary. </p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t think anything worse that a few grumpy people will come of this situation, it will change how people feel about the federal goverment. People in Montana don&#8217;t like the federal goverment getting in our way. Everytime the feds do somthing like this it give us another reason to hate them, and we come one step closer to saying &#8220;Screw it, you&#8217;ve become more of a problem than your worth. We are done.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, and did I mention that we like guns?<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK9KuIiugT4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK9KuIiugT4</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/25/good-luck-but-im-not-optimistic/#comment-48459</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl:

Asking that the lower courts take some vague sounding dicta over controlling precedent is asking for a lot.  That might give me a glimmer of hope otherwise.  But the case law on this is pretty clear and not terribly ambiguous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl:</p>
<p>Asking that the lower courts take some vague sounding dicta over controlling precedent is asking for a lot.  That might give me a glimmer of hope otherwise.  But the case law on this is pretty clear and not terribly ambiguous.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Filing glitzy but essentially frivolous lawsuits that will be enormously popular with your constituency is a time-proven fund raising tactic.  How many times have you received a mailing that said &quot;For only X dollars you can become a co-plaintiff in this history making lawsuit?&quot;
 
SAF if nothing else is a past master at fund raising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Filing glitzy but essentially frivolous lawsuits that will be enormously popular with your constituency is a time-proven fund raising tactic.  How many times have you received a mailing that said &#8220;For only X dollars you can become a co-plaintiff in this history making lawsuit?&#8221;</p>
<p>SAF if nothing else is a past master at fund raising.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl in Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not optimistic either, at least about the initial legal challenges.  But I think the most significant issue is this (quoted from the SAFs press release):

&lt;i&gt;This wave of interest across the Nation is what the federal judiciary calls &quot;emerging consensus&quot; and will play an important role in validating the principles of the MFFA.&lt;/i&gt;

Consensus is very important ... what if 10 states pass such a law?  Twenty?  Thirty?

Also and as an aside, I don&#039;t like how the SAF and MSSA discuss this as an issue of &quot;state&#039;s rights.&quot;  Frankly, there is no such damned thing as the &quot;rights&quot; of a government at any level.  There are powers.  This is a 10th Amendment issue, and the 10A doesn&#039;t mention state&#039;s &quot;rights.&quot;

Amendment 10 - Ratified 12/15/1791
&lt;i&gt;The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not optimistic either, at least about the initial legal challenges.  But I think the most significant issue is this (quoted from the SAFs press release):</p>
<p><i>This wave of interest across the Nation is what the federal judiciary calls &#8220;emerging consensus&#8221; and will play an important role in validating the principles of the MFFA.</i></p>
<p>Consensus is very important &#8230; what if 10 states pass such a law?  Twenty?  Thirty?</p>
<p>Also and as an aside, I don&#8217;t like how the SAF and MSSA discuss this as an issue of &#8220;state&#8217;s rights.&#8221;  Frankly, there is no such damned thing as the &#8220;rights&#8221; of a government at any level.  There are powers.  This is a 10th Amendment issue, and the 10A doesn&#8217;t mention state&#8217;s &#8220;rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>Amendment 10 &#8211; Ratified 12/15/1791<br />
<i>The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.</i></p>
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