Comments on: Doing the Right Thing http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/21/doing-the-right-thing/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:43:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ronnie http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/21/doing-the-right-thing/#comment-48326 Ronnie Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:28:14 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12452#comment-48326 I recall that truck-full of firearms at LAX story. Did that guy get any of guns back or what? I recall that truck-full of firearms at LAX story. Did that guy get any of guns back or what?

]]> By: Brad http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/21/doing-the-right-thing/#comment-48309 Brad Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:33:37 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12452#comment-48309 "We’re constantly harped on by the anti-gun people about being responsible, and when we are, we get kicked in the teeth for it." Exactly right. Like the poor sap on his way to go target shooting, who was stopped at a police checkpoint near LAX airport, and volunteered to the cops he had a truck-full of firearms. Of course the cops reacted by arresting him, seizing his firearms, searching his home, and charging him with every possible violation they could think of. Months later virtually every major charge the cops had invented against him were dismissed, but the poor bastard still had to plead out to a couple of minor charges the cops managed to pin on him. “We’re constantly harped on by the anti-gun people about being responsible, and when we are, we get kicked in the teeth for it.”

Exactly right.

Like the poor sap on his way to go target shooting, who was stopped at a police checkpoint near LAX airport, and volunteered to the cops he had a truck-full of firearms. Of course the cops reacted by arresting him, seizing his firearms, searching his home, and charging him with every possible violation they could think of.

Months later virtually every major charge the cops had invented against him were dismissed, but the poor bastard still had to plead out to a couple of minor charges the cops managed to pin on him.

]]> By: Ian Argent http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/21/doing-the-right-thing/#comment-48271 Ian Argent Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:55:15 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12452#comment-48271 I'm pretty sure it's a 4A violation, no probable cause. Much of redwagons big list would have the ACLU up in arms if it were done. I’m pretty sure it’s a 4A violation, no probable cause. Much of redwagons big list would have the ACLU up in arms if it were done.

]]> By: Ronnie http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/21/doing-the-right-thing/#comment-48262 Ronnie Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:14:22 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12452#comment-48262 Thanks, redwagon. As you might have guessed by now how some police chiefs think, every legal gun owner "theoretically" could have used his or her firearm in a crime which has yet to be even reported or discovered. This is why these same police chiefs will view every legal gun owner as a potential criminal suspect no matter what, and yet the anti-gun crowd often tries to say that legal gun owners are the ones who are paranoid. Thanks, redwagon.

As you might have guessed by now how some police chiefs think, every legal gun owner “theoretically” could have used his or her firearm in a crime which has yet to be even reported or discovered.
This is why these same police chiefs will view every legal gun owner as a potential criminal suspect no matter what, and yet the anti-gun crowd often tries to say that legal gun owners are the ones who are paranoid.

]]> By: redwagon http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/21/doing-the-right-thing/#comment-48260 redwagon Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:12:10 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12452#comment-48260 Well said Ronnie. Well said Ronnie.

]]> By: Ronnie http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/21/doing-the-right-thing/#comment-48258 Ronnie Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:06:23 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12452#comment-48258 There was one comment on this article that I really liked. It was the one which asked whether this same police department bothers to do ballistics testing on every new firearm they acquire for duty issue, and for every new firearm which is personally purchased by their department staff, since according to their logic, any new firearm could be used in a crime before leaving the factory or the dealer. There was one comment on this article that I really liked.

It was the one which asked whether this same police department bothers to do ballistics testing on every new firearm they acquire for duty issue, and for every new firearm which is personally purchased by their department staff, since according to their logic, any new firearm could be used in a crime before leaving the factory or the dealer.

]]> By: redwagon http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/21/doing-the-right-thing/#comment-48242 redwagon Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:00:46 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12452#comment-48242 Seems like a fabricated presumption of criminal activity. What if you had an antique knife that you turned over? Would they test the blade for blood and tissue? What if you handed over an expensive video camera for safekeeping with the police? Would they review the contents of the recordings to see if there was illegal material? Since a video recorder can be considered as a tool used in the act of a crime such as recording pedophilia, could the police check your camera as well? Maybe their policy is to view the contents of your digital camera to look for pictures of kidnapped or missing children. Just because “they’ve done it for years” doesn’t make it right. If allowed, the police can make-up any reason they want to for the “common good” and “public safety”. My point is that we must contest and challenge every infringement on our civil liberties at the instant they are violated. For too many years, organizations and groups of people have lied and trampled on our rights with nary a whimper from the people from under their feet. RW Seems like a fabricated presumption of criminal activity.

What if you had an antique knife that you turned over? Would they test the blade for blood and tissue?

What if you handed over an expensive video camera for safekeeping with the police? Would they review the contents of the recordings to see if there was illegal material? Since a video recorder can be considered as a tool used in the act of a crime such as recording pedophilia, could the police check your camera as well?

Maybe their policy is to view the contents of your digital camera to look for pictures of kidnapped or missing children.

Just because “they’ve done it for years” doesn’t make it right. If allowed, the police can make-up any reason they want to for the “common good” and “public safety”.

My point is that we must contest and challenge every infringement on our civil liberties at the instant they are violated. For too many years, organizations and groups of people have lied and trampled on our rights with nary a whimper from the people from under their feet.

RW

]]> By: Ride Fast http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/21/doing-the-right-thing/#comment-48219 Ride Fast Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:31:10 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12452#comment-48219 The police also ran the guys name, address, phone number, license data, license plate, vehicle ID number, SSI (if they got it) and DNA for all I know through the databases. Running the gun through mostly useless ballistics tests is just one more insult to his, and our, freedoms. He really should have just taken it with him. The police also ran the guys name, address, phone number, license data, license plate, vehicle ID number, SSI (if they got it) and DNA for all I know through the databases.

Running the gun through mostly useless ballistics tests is just one more insult to his, and our, freedoms.

He really should have just taken it with him.

]]> By: Police testing non-crime guns – Brillianter.com http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/21/doing-the-right-thing/#comment-48218 Police testing non-crime guns – Brillianter.com Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:27:20 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12452#comment-48218 [...] Snowflakes points to a case where the police insist on testing a gun that the owner handed over after a traffic accident. [...] [...] Snowflakes points to a case where the police insist on testing a gun that the owner handed over after a traffic accident. [...]

]]> By: teqjack http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/21/doing-the-right-thing/#comment-48214 teqjack Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:33:36 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=12452#comment-48214 Apparently policy reads something like "Firearms taken into custody must if possible be tested..." OK, so perhaps "into custody" should be "into evidence" or something. Yes, as applied it seems silly - and yes, if something similar happened to me I would be upset or more. But it is not outrageous. This (it is old but still) seems more worrisome. If you are above average intelligence, some police departments may reject you: http://nyletterpress.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/police-reject-candidate-for-being-too-intelligent/ Apparently policy reads something like “Firearms taken into custody must if possible be tested…” OK, so perhaps “into custody” should be “into evidence” or something.

Yes, as applied it seems silly – and yes, if something similar happened to me I would be upset or more. But it is not outrageous.

This (it is old but still) seems more worrisome. If you are above average intelligence, some police departments may reject you:
http://nyletterpress.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/police-reject-candidate-for-being-too-intelligent/

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