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		<title>By: Kyle Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/17/just-because-you-have-the-right/#comment-47955</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Let me rephrase that in a different context.

We need to normalize the sight of female breasts again. Just why should we hide them away? Is it something to be ashamed of?&quot;

Two can play that game:  We need to normalize the sight of black people walking down the street.  Just why should they be hidden away?  Is it something to be ashamed of?

After all, a black man walking down the street used to really &quot;scare the white people&quot;, it was just as threatening to some as carrying a gun is to some now.  And, some black people actually did threaten and attack people.  So hide them away, until the gentle-folk come around to accepting them. You know, there were well-intended anti-racists who made just that argument, back in the day. I can&#039;t remember their names, because nobody can, anymore.  

Hiding your face completely is not &quot;putting a good face&quot; on the argument, it is conceding the argument. All that is left is begging for privilege. 

And snowflake, think twice before going off on &quot;this isn&#039;t racism, and the comparison is insulting...&quot;  For starters, remember what is at the root of a lot of the origins of gun control.  

Maybe what it will take is somebody bringing their AR-15 onto a city bus, and refusing to move to the back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Let me rephrase that in a different context.</p>
<p>We need to normalize the sight of female breasts again. Just why should we hide them away? Is it something to be ashamed of?&#8221;</p>
<p>Two can play that game:  We need to normalize the sight of black people walking down the street.  Just why should they be hidden away?  Is it something to be ashamed of?</p>
<p>After all, a black man walking down the street used to really &#8220;scare the white people&#8221;, it was just as threatening to some as carrying a gun is to some now.  And, some black people actually did threaten and attack people.  So hide them away, until the gentle-folk come around to accepting them. You know, there were well-intended anti-racists who made just that argument, back in the day. I can&#8217;t remember their names, because nobody can, anymore.  </p>
<p>Hiding your face completely is not &#8220;putting a good face&#8221; on the argument, it is conceding the argument. All that is left is begging for privilege. </p>
<p>And snowflake, think twice before going off on &#8220;this isn&#8217;t racism, and the comparison is insulting&#8230;&#8221;  For starters, remember what is at the root of a lot of the origins of gun control.  </p>
<p>Maybe what it will take is somebody bringing their AR-15 onto a city bus, and refusing to move to the back.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/17/just-because-you-have-the-right/#comment-47923</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I just don’t see it that way. I even had people in work this morning confronting me with “Do you support stuff like this.”

These aren’t people hostile to gun rights, but they think this shit is fucking crazy. When you lose the middle, you lose. It doesn’t change anyone’s mind about gun owners in a good way.&lt;/i&gt;

So anytime some leftist whackjob does something do you ask them that question?  You&#039;re making the argument the guy&#039;s nuts.  How about when some &quot;poor misunderstood minority&quot; commits a crime do you ask them if they support it?  How about the panthers at the polling place?  You ask them about THAT?

What middle?  The apathetic folks who are now turning on this chicagoist manifesto?  Those folks?  Instead of putting up crap bashing the dude you should be showing why what he did was fully within the law and how nothing was wrong with it.  We don&#039;t need &lt;b&gt;another&lt;/b&gt; apology tour, obomber&#039;s got that covered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I just don’t see it that way. I even had people in work this morning confronting me with “Do you support stuff like this.”</p>
<p>These aren’t people hostile to gun rights, but they think this shit is fucking crazy. When you lose the middle, you lose. It doesn’t change anyone’s mind about gun owners in a good way.</i></p>
<p>So anytime some leftist whackjob does something do you ask them that question?  You&#8217;re making the argument the guy&#8217;s nuts.  How about when some &#8220;poor misunderstood minority&#8221; commits a crime do you ask them if they support it?  How about the panthers at the polling place?  You ask them about THAT?</p>
<p>What middle?  The apathetic folks who are now turning on this chicagoist manifesto?  Those folks?  Instead of putting up crap bashing the dude you should be showing why what he did was fully within the law and how nothing was wrong with it.  We don&#8217;t need <b>another</b> apology tour, obomber&#8217;s got that covered.</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Saint Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/17/just-because-you-have-the-right/#comment-47878</link>
		<dc:creator>Mad Saint Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Packetman- Good find!

AR-15 was unloaded, with a loaded mag in pocket.

There where 5 people open carrying as a group.  They contacted the police the night before and had a police liaison with them at the protest.

Here is a vid they shot:  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63GiXzpfGhA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Packetman- Good find!</p>
<p>AR-15 was unloaded, with a loaded mag in pocket.</p>
<p>There where 5 people open carrying as a group.  They contacted the police the night before and had a police liaison with them at the protest.</p>
<p>Here is a vid they shot:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63GiXzpfGhA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63GiXzpfGhA</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/17/just-because-you-have-the-right/#comment-47869</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Gotta come down on the side of “he’s doing more good than harm”.&lt;/i&gt;

I just don&#039;t see it that way.  I even had people in work this morning confronting me with &quot;Do you support stuff like this.&quot;

These aren&#039;t people hostile to gun rights, but they think this shit is fucking crazy.  When you lose the middle, you lose.  It doesn&#039;t change anyone&#039;s mind about gun owners in a good way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Gotta come down on the side of “he’s doing more good than harm”.</i></p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t see it that way.  I even had people in work this morning confronting me with &#8220;Do you support stuff like this.&#8221;</p>
<p>These aren&#8217;t people hostile to gun rights, but they think this shit is fucking crazy.  When you lose the middle, you lose.  It doesn&#8217;t change anyone&#8217;s mind about gun owners in a good way.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/17/just-because-you-have-the-right/#comment-47867</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether it&#039;s a constitutional right or not isn&#039;t really relevant.  Because it&#039;s a constitutional right is the reason it&#039;s not illegal to sling an AR-15 over your shoulder, and it is illegal for a woman to bare her breasts in public.  I am not arguing that either should be changed, though I wouldn&#039;t mind seeing more bare breasts.

But either way, the point is how to convince people to support, or at least not oppose your cause.  Baring breasts is about as effective a way to support women&#039;s rights as baring guns is to support gun rights.  As a method of activism I think both are a bad idea.

That&#039;s not to say I think open carry should be illegal.  I think it ought to remain legal, and be legalized in areas where it&#039;s currently illegal.  But I think it&#039;s ineffective when used as activism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether it&#8217;s a constitutional right or not isn&#8217;t really relevant.  Because it&#8217;s a constitutional right is the reason it&#8217;s not illegal to sling an AR-15 over your shoulder, and it is illegal for a woman to bare her breasts in public.  I am not arguing that either should be changed, though I wouldn&#8217;t mind seeing more bare breasts.</p>
<p>But either way, the point is how to convince people to support, or at least not oppose your cause.  Baring breasts is about as effective a way to support women&#8217;s rights as baring guns is to support gun rights.  As a method of activism I think both are a bad idea.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say I think open carry should be illegal.  I think it ought to remain legal, and be legalized in areas where it&#8217;s currently illegal.  But I think it&#8217;s ineffective when used as activism.</p>
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		<title>By: Boat Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/17/just-because-you-have-the-right/#comment-47859</link>
		<dc:creator>Boat Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta come down on the side of &quot;he&#039;s doing more good than harm&quot;. MSM will always villianize and demonize us. Tam&#039;s right &quot;... a little crazy, but the right kind of crazy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta come down on the side of &#8220;he&#8217;s doing more good than harm&#8221;. MSM will always villianize and demonize us. Tam&#8217;s right &#8220;&#8230; a little crazy, but the right kind of crazy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JamesLee</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/17/just-because-you-have-the-right/#comment-47850</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesLee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, just saw another angle.  If that was the same guy, magazine is definitely in.  Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, just saw another angle.  If that was the same guy, magazine is definitely in.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: JamesLee</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/17/just-because-you-have-the-right/#comment-47848</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesLee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, I got a good look at the CNN zoom on the gentleman&#039;s handgun in NH.  Am I mistaken, the angle is funny, or something, but it looks to me like the magazine well is empty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, I got a good look at the CNN zoom on the gentleman&#8217;s handgun in NH.  Am I mistaken, the angle is funny, or something, but it looks to me like the magazine well is empty.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/17/just-because-you-have-the-right/#comment-47847</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bare boobies != constitutional right
bear arms == constitutional right

Poor metaphor for the illustration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bare boobies != constitutional right<br />
bear arms == constitutional right</p>
<p>Poor metaphor for the illustration.</p>
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		<title>By: The Packetman</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/08/17/just-because-you-have-the-right/#comment-47845</link>
		<dc:creator>The Packetman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update: BMWAG was anti-ObamaCare, more here ...

http://www.arizonashooting.com/v3/viewtopic.php?p=595650

(sorry about any formatting errors)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update: BMWAG was anti-ObamaCare, more here &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.arizonashooting.com/v3/viewtopic.php?p=595650" rel="nofollow">http://www.arizonashooting.com/v3/viewtopic.php?p=595650</a></p>
<p>(sorry about any formatting errors)</p>
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