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	<title>Comments on: Unexpected Bedfellows</title>
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	<description>The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ...</description>
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		<title>By: National Reciprocity &#171; Stuff From Hsoi</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/16/unexpected-bedfellows/#comment-46644</link>
		<dc:creator>National Reciprocity &#171; Stuff From Hsoi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] torn on this topic because I don&#8217;t really want the Fed to step in. But when you consider some unexpected bedfellows in matters such as trucking interests, and then how Thune opted to word things, this is actually [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] torn on this topic because I don&#8217;t really want the Fed to step in. But when you consider some unexpected bedfellows in matters such as trucking interests, and then how Thune opted to word things, this is actually [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Argent</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/16/unexpected-bedfellows/#comment-46389</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Argent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Thune’s amendment was one of 35 that was added to the National Defense Authorization Act – or S1390 – which was being debated on the Senate floor on Tuesday.&quot;

I think this is a perfectly appropriate amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act; fully in line withthe stated title of the bill.... It would authorize a law-abiding citizen to be able to defend themselves nationwide</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thune’s amendment was one of 35 that was added to the National Defense Authorization Act – or S1390 – which was being debated on the Senate floor on Tuesday.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is a perfectly appropriate amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act; fully in line withthe stated title of the bill&#8230;. It would authorize a law-abiding citizen to be able to defend themselves nationwide</p>
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		<title>By: AnonymousCoward</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/16/unexpected-bedfellows/#comment-46307</link>
		<dc:creator>AnonymousCoward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MicroBalrog: That&#039;s what the second paragraph is about: it covers VT and AK residents.

ChamberedRound: FF&amp;C isn&#039;t involved.  FF&amp;C requires that (for example) NY recognize that you are licenced to carry in FL.  It doesn&#039;t require that NY *honor* your FL licence in NY.  (Driver&#039;s licenses are the common mis-example; NY recognizes your MA license as a matter of comity, not FF&amp;C.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MicroBalrog: That&#8217;s what the second paragraph is about: it covers VT and AK residents.</p>
<p>ChamberedRound: FF&amp;C isn&#8217;t involved.  FF&amp;C requires that (for example) NY recognize that you are licenced to carry in FL.  It doesn&#8217;t require that NY *honor* your FL licence in NY.  (Driver&#8217;s licenses are the common mis-example; NY recognizes your MA license as a matter of comity, not FF&amp;C.)</p>
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		<title>By: Weer'd Beard</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/16/unexpected-bedfellows/#comment-46278</link>
		<dc:creator>Weer'd Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t blame them.  My Brother-in-Law is a former long-haul trucker.  Until recently he met the prime definition of a &quot;Fudd&quot; (Hunter non-shooter, if you prefer a less pejorative term) where all his guns are locked and unloaded at all times, and had zero guns for defensive means).

I got asking him if he had encountered dangerous situations while on the road.  In fact he&#039;d been robbed a few times, and concerned for his safety many more.  Appears there&#039;s a whole niche market of crime centered around highway rest stops.  Both violent predatory crime, and &quot;vice&quot; crime such as drug dealing and prostitution.

I got him thinking about his safety, and how that tied into the life of his wife and several kids.

He started looking into lawfully carrying while on the job and found it both cost prohibative, as well as Impossible (given that he had to travel through New York and New Jersey for most trips) he took to carrying an unloaded pump shotgun in his sleeper cab, as well as a list of local trap and skeet competitions that he could pass off to Police if ever questioned.   He&#039;d load up the mag when get got to a stop, and unload it before proceeding back on the road.

he&#039;s since switched to short-haul work which is much safer, and given that he lives and works in Vermont, it carries ZERO cost for licensing.

Of course when you get down to reality, if a person is safe packing a gun through Vermont despite no license, or required training what is supposed to change when he crosses the boarder into New York state?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t blame them.  My Brother-in-Law is a former long-haul trucker.  Until recently he met the prime definition of a &#8220;Fudd&#8221; (Hunter non-shooter, if you prefer a less pejorative term) where all his guns are locked and unloaded at all times, and had zero guns for defensive means).</p>
<p>I got asking him if he had encountered dangerous situations while on the road.  In fact he&#8217;d been robbed a few times, and concerned for his safety many more.  Appears there&#8217;s a whole niche market of crime centered around highway rest stops.  Both violent predatory crime, and &#8220;vice&#8221; crime such as drug dealing and prostitution.</p>
<p>I got him thinking about his safety, and how that tied into the life of his wife and several kids.</p>
<p>He started looking into lawfully carrying while on the job and found it both cost prohibative, as well as Impossible (given that he had to travel through New York and New Jersey for most trips) he took to carrying an unloaded pump shotgun in his sleeper cab, as well as a list of local trap and skeet competitions that he could pass off to Police if ever questioned.   He&#8217;d load up the mag when get got to a stop, and unload it before proceeding back on the road.</p>
<p>he&#8217;s since switched to short-haul work which is much safer, and given that he lives and works in Vermont, it carries ZERO cost for licensing.</p>
<p>Of course when you get down to reality, if a person is safe packing a gun through Vermont despite no license, or required training what is supposed to change when he crosses the boarder into New York state?</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle &#187; Keep on trucking</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/16/unexpected-bedfellows/#comment-46274</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle &#187; Keep on trucking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association endorses national concealed carry. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association endorses national concealed carry. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: comatus</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/16/unexpected-bedfellows/#comment-46266</link>
		<dc:creator>comatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be bitter fun to watch the opposition try to characterize truck drivers. If they win this battle by their usual media strategy, they&#039;ll be in line to lose a much bigger war later.

There is no percentage in picking a fight with a truck driver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be bitter fun to watch the opposition try to characterize truck drivers. If they win this battle by their usual media strategy, they&#8217;ll be in line to lose a much bigger war later.</p>
<p>There is no percentage in picking a fight with a truck driver.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/16/unexpected-bedfellows/#comment-46264</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They can get a license from any other state and carry anywhere.</description>
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		<title>By: MicroBalrog</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/16/unexpected-bedfellows/#comment-46263</link>
		<dc:creator>MicroBalrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what does this do for, say, traveling Vermonters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what does this do for, say, traveling Vermonters?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Argent</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/16/unexpected-bedfellows/#comment-46256</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Argent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading the comments to that Brian Miller piece. Not one of them is on his side so far. Dang</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading the comments to that Brian Miller piece. Not one of them is on his side so far. Dang</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/16/unexpected-bedfellows/#comment-46250</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your right Jake... I just read the preface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your right Jake&#8230; I just read the preface.</p>
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