<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: More on That Joyce Study</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/08/more-on-that-joyce-study/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/08/more-on-that-joyce-study/</link>
	<description>The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ...</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:10:21 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
<xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" />
	<item>
		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/08/more-on-that-joyce-study/#comment-45898</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=11555#comment-45898</guid>
		<description>There&#039;s no problem if a particular study is biased.  I have little doubt that many researchers research a topic due to a bias they have.  The problem is when the conclusions are biased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no problem if a particular study is biased.  I have little doubt that many researchers research a topic due to a bias they have.  The problem is when the conclusions are biased.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: mikeb302000</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/08/more-on-that-joyce-study/#comment-45890</link>
		<dc:creator>mikeb302000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=11555#comment-45890</guid>
		<description>Where is one supposed to find unbiased academic studies? Was the work of Prof. Kleck unbiased? What about Dr. Lott, did he produce anything?

My question is, aren&#039;t these studies always biased?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is one supposed to find unbiased academic studies? Was the work of Prof. Kleck unbiased? What about Dr. Lott, did he produce anything?</p>
<p>My question is, aren&#8217;t these studies always biased?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ATL</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/08/more-on-that-joyce-study/#comment-45888</link>
		<dc:creator>ATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=11555#comment-45888</guid>
		<description>You know it&#039;s not actually fair to site facts when you are refuting a study. I mean think about all those people at the Joyce Foundation who you make look like utter idiots when you do that. Don&#039;t you know that if you keep that up some of them may end up shooting themselves creating a new reason for all us to not own handguns? I can see it now: &quot;Extremist Gun Right Bloggers increase suicide rates among common sense gun regulation study groups.&quot; 

I can see Eric Holder already holding his press conference......LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know it&#8217;s not actually fair to site facts when you are refuting a study. I mean think about all those people at the Joyce Foundation who you make look like utter idiots when you do that. Don&#8217;t you know that if you keep that up some of them may end up shooting themselves creating a new reason for all us to not own handguns? I can see it now: &#8220;Extremist Gun Right Bloggers increase suicide rates among common sense gun regulation study groups.&#8221; </p>
<p>I can see Eric Holder already holding his press conference&#8230;&#8230;LOL!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Linoge</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/08/more-on-that-joyce-study/#comment-45882</link>
		<dc:creator>Linoge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=11555#comment-45882</guid>
		<description>The source of funding must &lt;em&gt;always&lt;/em&gt; be taken into account for &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; study, just as the identity of the individual doing the studying must be taken into account as well.  It is not exactly like an organization/company/corporation will pay for a statistical determination that makes them &lt;em&gt;look bad&lt;/em&gt; or something...  

The only way to ensure an objective and unbiased study is to make use of researchers and funding that are both dispassionate and separated from the subject at hand, or at least one that is not attempting to impose their own restrictions/requirements/rules on the situation.  

Obviously, this is impossible with an organization as bound up in the gun-control agenda as Joyce Et Al.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The source of funding must <em>always</em> be taken into account for <em>any</em> study, just as the identity of the individual doing the studying must be taken into account as well.  It is not exactly like an organization/company/corporation will pay for a statistical determination that makes them <em>look bad</em> or something&#8230;  </p>
<p>The only way to ensure an objective and unbiased study is to make use of researchers and funding that are both dispassionate and separated from the subject at hand, or at least one that is not attempting to impose their own restrictions/requirements/rules on the situation.  </p>
<p>Obviously, this is impossible with an organization as bound up in the gun-control agenda as Joyce Et Al.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mikee</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/08/more-on-that-joyce-study/#comment-45856</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=11555#comment-45856</guid>
		<description>I read the post and came to a different but I think more reasonable conclusion.

If you NEED your gun at home, you are less likely to sell it.

More violence equates to less trafficking because folks in those violent places want to keep their guns....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the post and came to a different but I think more reasonable conclusion.</p>
<p>If you NEED your gun at home, you are less likely to sell it.</p>
<p>More violence equates to less trafficking because folks in those violent places want to keep their guns&#8230;.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: SayUncle &#187; License to shill</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/08/more-on-that-joyce-study/#comment-45854</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle &#187; License to shill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=11555#comment-45854</guid>
		<description>[...] In the aforementioned Joyce Foundation funded study, Sebastian compares the results with violent crime. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In the aforementioned Joyce Foundation funded study, Sebastian compares the results with violent crime. [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/08/more-on-that-joyce-study/#comment-45852</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=11555#comment-45852</guid>
		<description>I didn&#039;t say the conclusion is false, just that their cities with the most gun trafficking are safer on average than the cities with the lowest amount of gun trafficking.  I haven&#039;t read the study to have much of an informed opinion on it yet, but if it&#039;s using trace data, it&#039;s likely flawed, as trace data is not a measure of trafficking rates.  Even ATF only uses trace data to look for patterns, which is different than measuring magnitude.

If you think about the problem, it&#039;s really quite impossible to get an accurate measure of an illegal market.  Even for drugs we only really have very rough ideas of the size and magnitude of the market, and rough ideas where drugs are coming from.  And the government dumps a hell of a lot more money into studying that than it does the black market in guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say the conclusion is false, just that their cities with the most gun trafficking are safer on average than the cities with the lowest amount of gun trafficking.  I haven&#8217;t read the study to have much of an informed opinion on it yet, but if it&#8217;s using trace data, it&#8217;s likely flawed, as trace data is not a measure of trafficking rates.  Even ATF only uses trace data to look for patterns, which is different than measuring magnitude.</p>
<p>If you think about the problem, it&#8217;s really quite impossible to get an accurate measure of an illegal market.  Even for drugs we only really have very rough ideas of the size and magnitude of the market, and rough ideas where drugs are coming from.  And the government dumps a hell of a lot more money into studying that than it does the black market in guns.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Thirdpower</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/08/more-on-that-joyce-study/#comment-45850</link>
		<dc:creator>Thirdpower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=11555#comment-45850</guid>
		<description>It means that its conclusion is inherently biased MikeB and you know it. 

But of course you believe that the NRA forced the BATFE to include their disclaimer that Trace Data alone cannot be used for statistical analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It means that its conclusion is inherently biased MikeB and you know it. </p>
<p>But of course you believe that the NRA forced the BATFE to include their disclaimer that Trace Data alone cannot be used for statistical analysis.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: mikeb302000</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/08/more-on-that-joyce-study/#comment-45847</link>
		<dc:creator>mikeb302000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=11555#comment-45847</guid>
		<description>I don&#039;t think the fact that it&#039;s funded by the Joyce people necessarily means its conclusion is false. Some people think they&#039;re so witty by comparing it to the tobacco industry funding a study showing cigarettes are good for you, but it&#039;s not a good comparison.  This is Johns Hopkins we&#039;re talking about. 

I think the article explained very clearly what they mean by trafficking. The key is to differentiate between in-state and out-of-state. In other words, Phoenix gun shops are not only supplying Arizona criminals but also those in New York and New Jersey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the fact that it&#8217;s funded by the Joyce people necessarily means its conclusion is false. Some people think they&#8217;re so witty by comparing it to the tobacco industry funding a study showing cigarettes are good for you, but it&#8217;s not a good comparison.  This is Johns Hopkins we&#8217;re talking about. </p>
<p>I think the article explained very clearly what they mean by trafficking. The key is to differentiate between in-state and out-of-state. In other words, Phoenix gun shops are not only supplying Arizona criminals but also those in New York and New Jersey.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: comatus</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/07/08/more-on-that-joyce-study/#comment-45843</link>
		<dc:creator>comatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=11555#comment-45843</guid>
		<description>You fellows have a very bad attitude, and I agree with it whole-heartedly.

As much as I admire the efforts of those who turn these statistical assaults on their originators, I feel we lose a little every time liberty is reduced to cost/benefit analysis.

Should a million souls perish in a year due to others&#039; misuse of their freedom, that would be no argument for depriving me of mine. I do not question its source. The Creator must have had something in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You fellows have a very bad attitude, and I agree with it whole-heartedly.</p>
<p>As much as I admire the efforts of those who turn these statistical assaults on their originators, I feel we lose a little every time liberty is reduced to cost/benefit analysis.</p>
<p>Should a million souls perish in a year due to others&#8217; misuse of their freedom, that would be no argument for depriving me of mine. I do not question its source. The Creator must have had something in mind.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

