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	<title>Comments on: Senate Passes National Park Carry Amendment</title>
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		<title>By: WOTNOT</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/05/12/senate-passes-national-park-carry-amendment/#comment-42891</link>
		<dc:creator>WOTNOT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, There you have it.
Our Christmas gift from bush was taken away by obama...
And then JUSTLY RECONSTITUTED by the senate...(period)!

Don&#039;t question how it got there. You wackos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, There you have it.<br />
Our Christmas gift from bush was taken away by obama&#8230;<br />
And then JUSTLY RECONSTITUTED by the senate&#8230;(period)!</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t question how it got there. You wackos.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/05/12/senate-passes-national-park-carry-amendment/#comment-42866</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 12:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone wonder if some Senators were nudged to vote on this amendment by the fact that it might kill the bill it was attached to?

In addition to the corruption style arguments in favor of the above (e.g. banks don&#039;t like it), there&#039;s the strong general argument that expensive credit cards are better than none.

Arguing against the above is the Fed&#039;s move to implement much of this effective in a few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone wonder if some Senators were nudged to vote on this amendment by the fact that it might kill the bill it was attached to?</p>
<p>In addition to the corruption style arguments in favor of the above (e.g. banks don&#8217;t like it), there&#8217;s the strong general argument that expensive credit cards are better than none.</p>
<p>Arguing against the above is the Fed&#8217;s move to implement much of this effective in a few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Sendarius</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/05/12/senate-passes-national-park-carry-amendment/#comment-42856</link>
		<dc:creator>Sendarius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 23:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Achilles:

I understand the logic, and maybe the &quot;need&quot;, to do it this way, but I remain unhappy with the method.

I&#039;m probably MORE unhappy with the lack of procedural fairness in the Senate. It seems to me (an out-sider, ignorant of the House rules) that if they had the numbers to PASS such a bill in a &quot;straight up-and-down&quot; vote, surely there should be way to call for that vote despite resistance from the majority leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Achilles:</p>
<p>I understand the logic, and maybe the &#8220;need&#8221;, to do it this way, but I remain unhappy with the method.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m probably MORE unhappy with the lack of procedural fairness in the Senate. It seems to me (an out-sider, ignorant of the House rules) that if they had the numbers to PASS such a bill in a &#8220;straight up-and-down&#8221; vote, surely there should be way to call for that vote despite resistance from the majority leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Achilles</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/05/12/senate-passes-national-park-carry-amendment/#comment-42837</link>
		<dc:creator>Achilles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 17:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;What’s surprising about that? He was NRA A rated when he was elected.

Okay, so maybe it wasn&#039;t a shocker.  Still, NRA-PVF was being generous in 2006, since Casey had no track record on the issue then.  Given his big-government tendencies and his support for Holder, it wouldn&#039;t have surprised me if Casey had followed Lamar Alexander&#039;s example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;What’s surprising about that? He was NRA A rated when he was elected.</p>
<p>Okay, so maybe it wasn&#8217;t a shocker.  Still, NRA-PVF was being generous in 2006, since Casey had no track record on the issue then.  Given his big-government tendencies and his support for Holder, it wouldn&#8217;t have surprised me if Casey had followed Lamar Alexander&#8217;s example.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Argent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Argent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 15:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This story deserves the Sad Panda for all the anti-gun groups. 2/3 of the senate made a positive action against gun-control. That&#039;s pretty amazing; and anyone waking from a coma that started in &#039;94 would be shocked...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story deserves the Sad Panda for all the anti-gun groups. 2/3 of the senate made a positive action against gun-control. That&#8217;s pretty amazing; and anyone waking from a coma that started in &#8217;94 would be shocked&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 14:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s surprising about that?  He was NRA A rated when he was elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s surprising about that?  He was NRA A rated when he was elected.</p>
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		<title>By: Achilles</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/05/12/senate-passes-national-park-carry-amendment/#comment-42826</link>
		<dc:creator>Achilles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 14:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sebastian,

You left a real stunner off your list of observations -- Casey voted for it!  

Whatever was in the water at the Capitol yesterday, we need to bottle it and distribute it nationwide.  PA voters should send thanks to Specter and Casey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sebastian,</p>
<p>You left a real stunner off your list of observations &#8212; Casey voted for it!  </p>
<p>Whatever was in the water at the Capitol yesterday, we need to bottle it and distribute it nationwide.  PA voters should send thanks to Specter and Casey.</p>
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		<title>By: Achilles</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/05/12/senate-passes-national-park-carry-amendment/#comment-42825</link>
		<dc:creator>Achilles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 14:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ChamberedRound and Sendarius,

I tend to agree with you on the legislative tactic of attaching unrelated amendments to bills.  However, consider the following, from Senator Coburn&#039;s website:

&quot;Members of Congress have repeatedly attempted to bring up this measure for a clean, fair vote. Unfortunately, Congressional Leadership has gone to extreme lengths to avoid having a straight up-and-down vote on this measure.&quot;

Since the lunatics who currently run the asylum won&#039;t allow a strongly-supported initiative to get to the floor, it&#039;s fair and appropriate for proponents to use whatever tactic works for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChamberedRound and Sendarius,</p>
<p>I tend to agree with you on the legislative tactic of attaching unrelated amendments to bills.  However, consider the following, from Senator Coburn&#8217;s website:</p>
<p>&#8220;Members of Congress have repeatedly attempted to bring up this measure for a clean, fair vote. Unfortunately, Congressional Leadership has gone to extreme lengths to avoid having a straight up-and-down vote on this measure.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since the lunatics who currently run the asylum won&#8217;t allow a strongly-supported initiative to get to the floor, it&#8217;s fair and appropriate for proponents to use whatever tactic works for them.</p>
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		<title>By: View From the Cumberlands &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lamar&#8217;s &#8216;no&#8217; vote on guns</title>
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		<dc:creator>View From the Cumberlands &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lamar&#8217;s &#8216;no&#8217; vote on guns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 14:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Anyway, it seems that Tennessee&#8217;s Lamar Alexander voted against the amendment. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Anyway, it seems that Tennessee&#8217;s Lamar Alexander voted against the amendment. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle &#187; Guns in Parks</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/05/12/senate-passes-national-park-carry-amendment/#comment-42821</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle &#187; Guns in Parks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 12:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Senate has passed the guns in parks bill. Overwhelmingly with 67 votes. NRA A-Rated Lamar Alexander voted [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Senate has passed the guns in parks bill. Overwhelmingly with 67 votes. NRA A-Rated Lamar Alexander voted [...]</p>
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