Comments on: A Special Request http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/05/02/a-special-request/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:34:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Arnie http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/05/02/a-special-request/#comment-42392 Arnie Sun, 03 May 2009 09:41:53 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10130#comment-42392 That would be answered prayer, JD. Just as you might buy expensive life insurance to protect your family from financial loss in case the unthikabe should happen, so I purchase militia-style assault weapons to protect our liberty from tyranny in case the unthinkabe happens. Nobody WANTS it to happen. But if it ever should.... The Founding Fathers codified the 2A so we would be guaranteed our right to that insurance policy. Now, I'll be the first to admit I have fun traning with these weapons; they ARE fun and sporty and I can hunt with them. But I can do all that with less caliber and firepower. The anti-gunners know that. I need them to know what MY weapons are for, and that the 2A guarantees my right to keep and bear them for that purpose. Its a freedom insurance policy. And, according to Jefferson, it, like life insurance, will SOMEDAY need to be exercised. That would be answered prayer, JD. Just as you might buy expensive life insurance to protect your family from financial loss in case the unthikabe should happen, so I purchase militia-style assault weapons to protect our liberty from tyranny in case the unthinkabe happens. Nobody WANTS it to happen. But if it ever should…. The Founding Fathers codified the 2A so we would be guaranteed our right to that insurance policy. Now, I’ll be the first to admit I have fun traning with these weapons; they ARE fun and sporty and I can hunt with them. But I can do all that with less caliber and firepower. The anti-gunners know that. I need them to know what MY weapons are for, and that the 2A guarantees my right to keep and bear them for that purpose. Its a freedom insurance policy. And, according to Jefferson, it, like life insurance, will SOMEDAY need to be exercised.

]]> By: hsoi http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/05/02/a-special-request/#comment-42391 hsoi Sun, 03 May 2009 09:17:02 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10130#comment-42391 Search for Texas State Rifle Association (TSRA) competitions. Other things: http://www.bushmaster.com/images/home_feature_images/home4_competition.jpg http://www.asrpa.com/html/juniors_.html http://www.odcmp.com/images/hpchamp04_m.jpg http://www.odcmp.com/Clubs/GALLERY.htm http://www.odcmp.com/images/CTJRHPSam.jpg http://www.odcmp.com/images/rio2.jpg Lots of stuff at the CMP website there. Search for Texas State Rifle Association (TSRA) competitions.

Other things:

http://www.bushmaster.com/images/home_feature_images/home4_competition.jpg

http://www.asrpa.com/html/juniors_.html

http://www.odcmp.com/images/hpchamp04_m.jpg

http://www.odcmp.com/Clubs/GALLERY.htm

http://www.odcmp.com/images/CTJRHPSam.jpg

http://www.odcmp.com/images/rio2.jpg

Lots of stuff at the CMP website there.

]]> By: JD http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/05/02/a-special-request/#comment-42388 JD Sun, 03 May 2009 05:59:35 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10130#comment-42388 Arnie said: "I KNOW the only purpose for my assault rifles is to kill massive amounts of human being" Thats not the only purpose for my AR's Arnie. I use my AR's for the same purpose someone uses their bolt,lever,pump, and single shots for. That would be militia, self defense,hunting,target shooting, and because it's my right. If all YOUR AR's will be used for is killing mass amounts of people, you probably wasted $2-3000 on something you will never use for(in your opinion) it's intended purpose. Arnie said:
“I KNOW the only purpose for my assault rifles is to kill massive amounts of human being”

Thats not the only purpose for my AR’s Arnie. I use my AR’s for the same purpose someone uses their bolt,lever,pump, and single shots for. That would be militia, self defense,hunting,target shooting, and because it’s my right.
If all YOUR AR’s will be used for is killing mass amounts of people, you probably wasted $2-3000 on something you will never use for(in your opinion) it’s intended purpose.

]]> By: Clayton E. Cramer http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/05/02/a-special-request/#comment-42386 Clayton E. Cramer Sun, 03 May 2009 03:42:26 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10130#comment-42386 I could have sworn that I added a list of defensive uses of assault weapons earlier in the day. Visit http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/labels/assault%20weapon%20defense.html for a list. I could have sworn that I added a list of defensive uses of assault weapons earlier in the day. Visit http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/labels/assault%20weapon%20defense.html for a list.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/05/02/a-special-request/#comment-42385 Sebastian Sun, 03 May 2009 03:29:46 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10130#comment-42385 There's not one argument that works Arnie. Different arguments work on different people. Some people are totally turned off by the type of arguments you're suggesting, while some are receptive to it. It usually depends on how well versed they are on the Second Amendment. If someone says "Well, I support the Second Amendment. I hunt and shoot, sure, but just don't think it ought to apply to machine guns. No one needs a machine gun to hunt and shoot." your argument is a reasonable one to use. If someone comes to you and says "I'm OK with people having some guns, but what do you need an assault weapons for anyway? You don't use those for sport." Then starting out saying "Au contrair..." and going on to explain can be quite effective. If you hit that person with "I have a right to bear arms so I can kill tyrants" they will look at you like you're from Mars. There's a lot of context they are missing to be able to wrap their heads around that concept. There’s not one argument that works Arnie. Different arguments work on different people. Some people are totally turned off by the type of arguments you’re suggesting, while some are receptive to it. It usually depends on how well versed they are on the Second Amendment.

If someone says “Well, I support the Second Amendment. I hunt and shoot, sure, but just don’t think it ought to apply to machine guns. No one needs a machine gun to hunt and shoot.” your argument is a reasonable one to use.

If someone comes to you and says “I’m OK with people having some guns, but what do you need an assault weapons for anyway? You don’t use those for sport.” Then starting out saying “Au contrair…” and going on to explain can be quite effective. If you hit that person with “I have a right to bear arms so I can kill tyrants” they will look at you like you’re from Mars. There’s a lot of context they are missing to be able to wrap their heads around that concept.

]]> By: Arnie http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/05/02/a-special-request/#comment-42384 Arnie Sun, 03 May 2009 03:13:59 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10130#comment-42384 Gentlemenn, please! I beg of you. Do you not see that you are running away from your right to keep and bear assault rifles? The 2nd Amendment secures your right to have ASSAULT rifles. Be proud of that! Proclaim that! Fight for that! Don't surrender that in return for a subordinate right to hunt or sport shoot. Don't cower or submit to the anti-gunners' fraudulent interpretation of our precious right to defend our freedom from tyranny. PLEASE don't do that, gentlemen. I don't care if my weapons do not serve a hunting or sporting purpose. I did not buy my assault rifles for hunting or sport; I bought them to defend freedom against tyrants! I KNOW the only purpose for my assault rifles is to kill massive amounts of human beings. THAT'S why I bought them! That's what patriots may have to do! That's what they did to redcoats 234 years ago. It's what Jefferson said must continually occur to keep alive the tree of liberty. It is what our duty is "whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these [rights]." Do we believe those words of our Declaration of Indepedence, or are we willing to settle for bartering with tyrants for some petty rights at the cost of our greatest right, namely freedom? Forbid it, gentlemen, FORBID IT! Gentlemenn, please! I beg of you. Do you not see that you are running away from your right to keep and bear assault rifles? The 2nd Amendment secures your right to have ASSAULT rifles. Be proud of that! Proclaim that! Fight for that! Don’t surrender that in return for a subordinate right to hunt or sport shoot. Don’t cower or submit to the anti-gunners’ fraudulent interpretation of our precious right to defend our freedom from tyranny. PLEASE don’t do that, gentlemen. I don’t care if my weapons do not serve a hunting or sporting purpose. I did not buy my assault rifles for hunting or sport; I bought them to defend freedom against tyrants! I KNOW the only purpose for my assault rifles is to kill massive amounts of human beings. THAT’S why I bought them! That’s what patriots may have to do! That’s what they did to redcoats 234 years ago. It’s what Jefferson said must continually occur to keep alive the tree of liberty. It is what our duty is “whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these [rights].” Do we believe those words of our Declaration of Indepedence, or are we willing to settle for bartering with tyrants for some petty rights at the cost of our greatest right, namely freedom? Forbid it, gentlemen, FORBID IT!

]]> By: J Richardson http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/05/02/a-special-request/#comment-42383 J Richardson Sun, 03 May 2009 02:23:59 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10130#comment-42383 As a former political scientist, the thing that stands out the most about Prof. Spitzer is what you don't see on his website. You don't see a list of journal articles from refereed journals. Research that has been scrutinized by your peers for accuracy and quality. You see books which don't require a referee - just a willing publisher. Journal articles are what make you your name in the social sciences and get you tenure at major research universities. And with all due respect, SUNY-Cortland ain't a major research university. As a former political scientist, the thing that stands out the most about Prof. Spitzer is what you don’t see on his website. You don’t see a list of journal articles from refereed journals. Research that has been scrutinized by your peers for accuracy and quality. You see books which don’t require a referee – just a willing publisher.

Journal articles are what make you your name in the social sciences and get you tenure at major research universities. And with all due respect, SUNY-Cortland ain’t a major research university.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/05/02/a-special-request/#comment-42382 Sebastian Sun, 03 May 2009 01:57:15 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10130#comment-42382 Thanks for all the pics guys! I should have enough shortly, and I will send them along. I agree you can't use the sporting purpose argument exclusively, but I also don't see any reason to let the anti-gunners get away with this continuous lie that these firearms have no legitimate purpose for sport. That's bunk, and they should understand that it's bunk. For those that do understand it, and preach the lie anyway, they should at least know we're wise to it. Thanks for all the pics guys! I should have enough shortly, and I will send them along.

I agree you can’t use the sporting purpose argument exclusively, but I also don’t see any reason to let the anti-gunners get away with this continuous lie that these firearms have no legitimate purpose for sport. That’s bunk, and they should understand that it’s bunk. For those that do understand it, and preach the lie anyway, they should at least know we’re wise to it.

]]> By: Graumagus http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/05/02/a-special-request/#comment-42381 Graumagus Sun, 03 May 2009 01:56:27 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10130#comment-42381 He can kiss my ass. I don't need a goddamn "sporting purpose" to own a firearm. Basically, what Arnie said, just not as nice. He can kiss my ass. I don’t need a goddamn “sporting purpose” to own a firearm.

Basically, what Arnie said, just not as nice.

]]> By: AughtSix http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/05/02/a-special-request/#comment-42380 AughtSix Sun, 03 May 2009 01:24:52 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10130#comment-42380 You definitely need a picture of Carl Bernosky. (2007 and 2008 national high power champion--using an AR space gun) http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/carlbernosky350.jpg You definitely need a picture of Carl Bernosky. (2007 and 2008 national high power champion–using an AR space gun)

http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/carlbernosky350.jpg

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