Comments on: The Difficulty of Specter’s Switch http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/28/the-difficulty-of-specters-switch/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:20:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Quote of the Day - Lesser of Two Evils Edition « Firearms & Freedom http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/28/the-difficulty-of-specters-switch/#comment-42407 Quote of the Day - Lesser of Two Evils Edition « Firearms & Freedom Mon, 04 May 2009 04:19:08 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10044#comment-42407 [...] Quote of the Day - Lesser of Two Evils Edition In politics, you don’t always get good choices.  It’s not a game for people who prefer things to be black and white, and the choices to be easy. - Sebastian [...] [...] Quote of the Day – Lesser of Two Evils Edition In politics, you don’t always get good choices.  It’s not a game for people who prefer things to be black and white, and the choices to be easy. – Sebastian [...]

]]> By: PatrickW http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/28/the-difficulty-of-specters-switch/#comment-42195 PatrickW Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:02:44 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10044#comment-42195 If Specter is so willing to change parties, how can we trust him to not change his ideals on certain things including his views towards the 2nd amendment? Sure he flat out states he is only doing it to stay in office come the elections next year, HOWEVER, what else is he going to do to win an election? To garner support from the Dems.? He is a political traitor... and just like a traitor on the field of battle... you just can't trust them at all. Just my two cents. If Specter is so willing to change parties, how can we trust him to not change his ideals on certain things including his views towards the 2nd amendment? Sure he flat out states he is only doing it to stay in office come the elections next year, HOWEVER, what else is he going to do to win an election? To garner support from the Dems.? He is a political traitor… and just like a traitor on the field of battle… you just can’t trust them at all. Just my two cents.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/28/the-difficulty-of-specters-switch/#comment-42178 Sebastian Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:57:36 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10044#comment-42178 Bork was against the Second Amendment. If he had gotten in, <i>Heller</i> would have lost. Bork was against the Second Amendment. If he had gotten in, Heller would have lost.

]]> By: Bram http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/28/the-difficulty-of-specters-switch/#comment-42177 Bram Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:47:25 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10044#comment-42177 Sebastian - I'm talking about lower court Federal Judges who never made it to the Senate floor because Specter used his Chairmanship of the Senate Judiciary Committee to block them. You did just reminded me that Specter voted against confirming Bork. Instead we got Kennedy - thanks a lot. Sebastian – I’m talking about lower court Federal Judges who never made it to the Senate floor because Specter used his Chairmanship of the Senate Judiciary Committee to block them.

You did just reminded me that Specter voted against confirming Bork. Instead we got Kennedy – thanks a lot.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/28/the-difficulty-of-specters-switch/#comment-42176 Sebastian Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:44:34 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10044#comment-42176 <i>The NRA is kind of screwed either way, unfortunately.</i> They kind of are. It's always tough when both guys are good on your issue, and you have to endorse one over the other. That's why NRA endorses incumbents by policy because they a) almost always win and b) it allows challengers to have realistic expectations about their chances. If it's by policy, someone like Toomey will know not to expect the endorsement, rather than being pissed he didn't get it. The NRA is kind of screwed either way, unfortunately.

They kind of are. It’s always tough when both guys are good on your issue, and you have to endorse one over the other. That’s why NRA endorses incumbents by policy because they a) almost always win and b) it allows challengers to have realistic expectations about their chances. If it’s by policy, someone like Toomey will know not to expect the endorsement, rather than being pissed he didn’t get it.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/28/the-difficulty-of-specters-switch/#comment-42175 Sebastian Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:40:54 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10044#comment-42175 <i>If the NRA is as smart as they need to be, they should give Spector and Toomey the same rating and let the chips fall where they may. Even better, do not endorse either of them.</i> We'll see, but I think it would be horrible mistake for Specter to abandon his positions on guns. But I would be highly shocked if he sticks to his guns, that NRA wouldn't endorse him. He's an incumbent, and he's gotten the endorsement for several elections past. It would be a slap in the face to Specter not to endorse him, and if that were to happen, and Specter were to win, then he will definitely moderate his views on the issue. If the NRA is as smart as they need to be, they should give Spector and Toomey the same rating and let the chips fall where they may. Even better, do not endorse either of them.

We’ll see, but I think it would be horrible mistake for Specter to abandon his positions on guns. But I would be highly shocked if he sticks to his guns, that NRA wouldn’t endorse him. He’s an incumbent, and he’s gotten the endorsement for several elections past.

It would be a slap in the face to Specter not to endorse him, and if that were to happen, and Specter were to win, then he will definitely moderate his views on the issue.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/28/the-difficulty-of-specters-switch/#comment-42174 Sebastian Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:38:07 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10044#comment-42174 <i>You are dead wrong. Specter has done real violence to the 2nd Amendment already. As chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, he blocked conservative judges nominated by President Bush. The courts are where the fight for 2nd Amendment rights is the hottest right now. And, thanks to Specter, we have fewer allies on the bench.</i> What? Specter voted yes on both Roberts and Alito, the only two justices that came before the Senate. That's just not correct at all. Not that he didn't do a big dog and pony show, but in the end he voted the right way. Specter is like that. But if you want to bring up Judiciary votes, I would note he voted <i>against</i> Robert Bork, going against a Republican president, which probably saved the Second Amendment over the long run. We'll see how he votes over the next year on guns. Maybe he will cast us off, but I doubt it. The politics don't play for him well by doing that. Especially with his announcement that he's standing firm on Card Check, which is going to piss off the unions in a state where unions still have some political power. All politicians make their positions based on cold calculations of where votes and money come up, and given Specter's history of voting with gun owners, I think he's decided where his calculation should be on that issue. Maybe that will change, who knows. But I doubt it. You are dead wrong. Specter has done real violence to the 2nd Amendment already. As chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, he blocked conservative judges nominated by President Bush. The courts are where the fight for 2nd Amendment rights is the hottest right now. And, thanks to Specter, we have fewer allies on the bench.

What? Specter voted yes on both Roberts and Alito, the only two justices that came before the Senate. That’s just not correct at all. Not that he didn’t do a big dog and pony show, but in the end he voted the right way. Specter is like that. But if you want to bring up Judiciary votes, I would note he voted against Robert Bork, going against a Republican president, which probably saved the Second Amendment over the long run.

We’ll see how he votes over the next year on guns. Maybe he will cast us off, but I doubt it. The politics don’t play for him well by doing that. Especially with his announcement that he’s standing firm on Card Check, which is going to piss off the unions in a state where unions still have some political power.

All politicians make their positions based on cold calculations of where votes and money come up, and given Specter’s history of voting with gun owners, I think he’s decided where his calculation should be on that issue. Maybe that will change, who knows. But I doubt it.

]]> By: Graumagus http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/28/the-difficulty-of-specters-switch/#comment-42173 Graumagus Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:34:49 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10044#comment-42173 No cause. Yet. I'm not a republican, and I'm also not a GOP only litmus test kind of guy regardless of how I may have come off in these comments. I just have a strong feeling that as soon as Specter doesn't need the NRA's support, he'll flip. Given how much the folks who DO vote against 2nd Amendment rights are going to be backing him for political reasons, I just have a sick feeling he isn't going to be there when the NRA needs him. And that he's going to contribute to a lot of legislation that will indirectly harm all of our rights, not just the right to bear arms. I sincerely hope I'm wrong. And I also hope supporting him is worth the friction it's going to cause with the rank and file members who despise him. The NRA may be single issue, but the millions of us who write those membership and donation checks are not. The NRA is kind of screwed either way, unfortunately. No cause. Yet.

I’m not a republican, and I’m also not a GOP only litmus test kind of guy regardless of how I may have come off in these comments.

I just have a strong feeling that as soon as Specter doesn’t need the NRA’s support, he’ll flip. Given how much the folks who DO vote against 2nd Amendment rights are going to be backing him for political reasons, I just have a sick feeling he isn’t going to be there when the NRA needs him. And that he’s going to contribute to a lot of legislation that will indirectly harm all of our rights, not just the right to bear arms.

I sincerely hope I’m wrong.

And I also hope supporting him is worth the friction it’s going to cause with the rank and file members who despise him. The NRA may be single issue, but the millions of us who write those membership and donation checks are not.

The NRA is kind of screwed either way, unfortunately.

]]> By: Yosemite Sam http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/28/the-difficulty-of-specters-switch/#comment-42172 Yosemite Sam Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:31:56 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10044#comment-42172 Sorry Sebastian, I have to agree with Bram. Specter is a traitor to his party and country and his switching sides at this point gives a filibuster proof majority to the Dems. This allows the Dems. to do anything they want and that anything is going to include gun control. If Specter doesn't have any loyalty to his party, what makes you think he will give a rat's behind about continued support of gun rights. He used gun rights supporters and Republicans like a cheap whore and is turning his back on the people who put him in office. If the NRA continues to support him after all of this then I will have a lot of thinking to do. If the NRA is as smart as they need to be, they should give Spector and Toomey the same rating and let the chips fall where they may. Even better, do not endorse either of them. Sorry Sebastian, I have to agree with Bram. Specter is a traitor to his party and country and his switching sides at this point gives a filibuster proof majority to the Dems. This allows the Dems. to do anything they want and that anything is going to include gun control.

If Specter doesn’t have any loyalty to his party, what makes you think he will give a rat’s behind about continued support of gun rights. He used gun rights supporters and Republicans like a cheap whore and is turning his back on the people who put him in office. If the NRA continues to support him after all of this then I will have a lot of thinking to do.

If the NRA is as smart as they need to be, they should give Spector and Toomey the same rating and let the chips fall where they may. Even better, do not endorse either of them.

]]> By: Bram http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/28/the-difficulty-of-specters-switch/#comment-42171 Bram Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:29:17 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=10044#comment-42171 Sebastian, You are dead wrong. Specter has done real violence to the 2nd Amendment already. As chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, he blocked conservative judges nominated by President Bush. The courts are where the fight for 2nd Amendment rights is the hottest right now. And, thanks to Specter, we have fewer allies on the bench. If you read Specter's bio, you'll understand that he has earned an NRA A rating only because it hasn't been profitable enough for him to sell out our gun-rights YET. I doubt Specter ever gave a flying rats ass what gun owners think. So far this year he has sold out taxpayers (including generations of future tax-payers), PA voters (who thought they were getting a Republican), and his party that has kept him in office 29 years. We're supposed to trust a traitor? At the least the NRA should stay out of a contest of 2 A rated candidates. It's only April - he'll probably sell us out before year-end to appease his new friends. Then we won't have to argue about it. Sebastian,

You are dead wrong. Specter has done real violence to the 2nd Amendment already. As chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, he blocked conservative judges nominated by President Bush. The courts are where the fight for 2nd Amendment rights is the hottest right now. And, thanks to Specter, we have fewer allies on the bench.

If you read Specter’s bio, you’ll understand that he has earned an NRA A rating only because it hasn’t been profitable enough for him to sell out our gun-rights YET. I doubt Specter ever gave a flying rats ass what gun owners think. So far this year he has sold out taxpayers (including generations of future tax-payers), PA voters (who thought they were getting a Republican), and his party that has kept him in office 29 years. We’re supposed to trust a traitor?

At the least the NRA should stay out of a contest of 2 A rated candidates.

It’s only April – he’ll probably sell us out before year-end to appease his new friends. Then we won’t have to argue about it.

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