Comments on: 20/20 Segment – How Would You Do? http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/14/2020-segment-how-would-you-do/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:54:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Guav http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/14/2020-segment-how-would-you-do/#comment-41562 Guav Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:07:20 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=9638#comment-41562 "A robber who walked into the Columbia downtown Alcoholics Anonymous center, pulled out a gun and demanded money was killed in a burst of gunfire from an AA visitor’s gun, police said." http://www.thestate.com/local/story/747998.html “A robber who walked into the Columbia downtown Alcoholics Anonymous center, pulled out a gun and demanded money was killed in a burst of gunfire from an AA visitor’s gun, police said.”

http://www.thestate.com/local/story/747998.html

]]> By: Paul http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/14/2020-segment-how-would-you-do/#comment-41540 Paul Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:09:38 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=9638#comment-41540 it was rig! the shooters automatically target the person in the midle on the front row. every single time look at and pay attention to details. it was rig! the shooters automatically target the person in the midle on the front row. every single time look at and pay attention to details.

]]> By: JamesB http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/14/2020-segment-how-would-you-do/#comment-41496 JamesB Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:00:41 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=9638#comment-41496 This was a political "hit piece", pure propaganda and nothing more. It's intent is to take one of the more compelling arguments for gun ownership and concealed carry off the table for most people. It's one step towards stricter gun control without the cost paid in 1994 with the assault weapons ban (loss of control of the both the House and the Senate). Question is - how many of these lecture hall scenarios did they run where the the shooter was stopped by the student but was never show on TV? How many scenarios did they run so that they would know how to properly impede the student 100% of the time? I would like to see Front Site recreate this scenario exactly as 20/20 staged it with students from their 2-day and 4-day defensive handgun courses. And then a realistic recreation without the student being setup for failure. Nothing would make a bigger statement than to show this 20/20 segment for the propaganda that it is! This was a political “hit piece”, pure propaganda and nothing more. It’s intent is to take one of the more compelling arguments for gun ownership and concealed carry off the table for most people.

It’s one step towards stricter gun control without the cost paid in 1994 with the assault weapons ban (loss of control of the both the House and the Senate).

Question is – how many of these lecture hall scenarios did they run where the the shooter was stopped by the student but was never show on TV? How many scenarios did they run so that they would know how to properly impede the student 100% of the time?

I would like to see Front Site recreate this scenario exactly as 20/20 staged it with students from their 2-day and 4-day defensive handgun courses. And then a realistic recreation without the student being setup for failure.

Nothing would make a bigger statement than to show this 20/20 segment for the propaganda that it is!

]]> By: CapitalGGeek http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/14/2020-segment-how-would-you-do/#comment-41379 CapitalGGeek Wed, 15 Apr 2009 02:15:48 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=9638#comment-41379 It was rigged. The 'safety' gear included cumbersome gloves. The 'concealment' shirt was designed to make it difficult to draw. The shooter knew exactly who to target & where they were. It was rigged.
The ‘safety’ gear included cumbersome gloves.
The ‘concealment’ shirt was designed to make it difficult to draw.
The shooter knew exactly who to target & where they were.

]]> By: mobo http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/14/2020-segment-how-would-you-do/#comment-41369 mobo Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:57:30 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=9638#comment-41369 I'd like to see this scenario played out with more realistic circumstances. Somebody should make a rebuttal video to this. I suggest a scenario with two or more classrooms getting attacked in an active shooter scenario. The shooter doesn't know which room contains an armed student, or if maybe both(or even three/four) classrooms have one or more armed students inside. Oh, and the shooter would be randomly selected from the group of participants to avoid stacking the deck with a SWAT guy. This would most accurately mimic the VA Tech scenario, where there would have been plenty of time for an armed student to wait beside the door with a gun drawn. I’d like to see this scenario played out with more realistic circumstances. Somebody should make a rebuttal video to this.

I suggest a scenario with two or more classrooms getting attacked in an active shooter scenario. The shooter doesn’t know which room contains an armed student, or if maybe both(or even three/four) classrooms have one or more armed students inside. Oh, and the shooter would be randomly selected from the group of participants to avoid stacking the deck with a SWAT guy. This would most accurately mimic the VA Tech scenario, where there would have been plenty of time for an armed student to wait beside the door with a gun drawn.

]]> By: Matt http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/14/2020-segment-how-would-you-do/#comment-41363 Matt Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:50:47 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=9638#comment-41363 I do belive that I have the training to get the job done right. I do belive that I have the training to get the job done right.

]]> By: Anon Reader Dude http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/14/2020-segment-how-would-you-do/#comment-41353 Anon Reader Dude Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:17:12 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=9638#comment-41353 Worth considering in this light: Pocket carry. Simple sheath pocket holster. You can draw a J-frame (or Kahr PM9) from concealment as quickly as you can take out your car keys. Looks like the first thing to do in an incident might be to DROP DOWN to concealment with the other panic-stricken folks. Draw from there. Don't visually flag yourself as a CCWer until absolutely necessary. Just my tentative thoughts. Worth considering in this light:

Pocket carry. Simple sheath pocket holster.

You can draw a J-frame (or Kahr PM9) from concealment as quickly as you can take out your car keys.

Looks like the first thing to do in an incident might be to DROP DOWN to concealment with the other panic-stricken folks. Draw from there. Don’t visually flag yourself as a CCWer until absolutely necessary.

Just my tentative thoughts.

]]> By: Mike Gallo http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/14/2020-segment-how-would-you-do/#comment-41350 Mike Gallo Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:33:53 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=9638#comment-41350 I can't watch the video here at work, but can someone tell me if the cop shot the "armed" student(s) in the head or spine? I only ask because a student with a gun and a heart that's been ripped apart by a bullet in his chest can still very easily shoot his assailant several times before losing his motor functions. Humans are remarkably resilient targets... I can’t watch the video here at work, but can someone tell me if the cop shot the “armed” student(s) in the head or spine? I only ask because a student with a gun and a heart that’s been ripped apart by a bullet in his chest can still very easily shoot his assailant several times before losing his motor functions. Humans are remarkably resilient targets…

]]> By: snoopycomputer http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/14/2020-segment-how-would-you-do/#comment-41347 snoopycomputer Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:51:38 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=9638#comment-41347 Wait, they forgot to shout out the line "you shouldn't have a gun because it might be taken from you and used against you". But what about a group of 20 students rushing a shooter at once? Somehow the shooter is immune from such disarmament? Then again, news agencies cannot tell the truth for fear of lawsuit. We all know the best defense is to fight back, and fight back with EVERYTHING: books, bags, shoes, chairs, etc. A mass charge at a single shooter would bring him down. Not without casualty, however, and for the "news" to give out this advice is legally dangerous. After the heroic death of a few students hell bent on either living, or keeping their fellow students alive, said news will be sued and taken for all they have. It is this fear of legal reprisal that helps keep the truth silent on major media, and from police. They too know the first and best defense is a trained, armed citizen- but they cannot hand that out as advice as it may backfire from Freddie FUBU getting a gun & only a gun- then being killed with it, or being an idiot with it. Wait, they forgot to shout out the line “you shouldn’t have a gun because it might be taken from you and used against you”. But what about a group of 20 students rushing a shooter at once? Somehow the shooter is immune from such disarmament?
Then again, news agencies cannot tell the truth for fear of lawsuit. We all know the best defense is to fight back, and fight back with EVERYTHING: books, bags, shoes, chairs, etc. A mass charge at a single shooter would bring him down. Not without casualty, however, and for the “news” to give out this advice is legally dangerous. After the heroic death of a few students hell bent on either living, or keeping their fellow students alive, said news will be sued and taken for all they have.
It is this fear of legal reprisal that helps keep the truth silent on major media, and from police. They too know the first and best defense is a trained, armed citizen- but they cannot hand that out as advice as it may backfire from Freddie FUBU getting a gun & only a gun- then being killed with it, or being an idiot with it.

]]> By: TheMu http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/04/14/2020-segment-how-would-you-do/#comment-41342 TheMu Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:58:00 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=9638#comment-41342 Sounds like they're saying, since you can't be 100%, don't even bother trying. that's defeatism for you, let the police take care of you. That's a good straw man... Sounds like they’re saying, since you can’t be 100%, don’t even bother trying. that’s defeatism for you, let the police take care of you. That’s a good straw man…

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