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	<description>The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ...</description>
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		<title>By: Allura</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/02/02/outta-here/#comment-37987</link>
		<dc:creator>Allura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was appalled at the conversation at that other place, and I only went there in the first place because of a link from Insta. I&#039;ll take yours &amp; Sebastian&#039;s reasoned voices over their craziness any day, thanks. 

Also, iirc, Bitter&#039;s a NRA instructor? Do you do the basic pistol class anyway/interested in doing one? I want to get my first handgun (paperwork should be incoming), but I have NO idea what I want, and I need more than AC&#039;s hour of &quot;hey, this stuff is fun!&quot; to know what I&#039;m looking at. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was appalled at the conversation at that other place, and I only went there in the first place because of a link from Insta. I&#8217;ll take yours &amp; Sebastian&#8217;s reasoned voices over their craziness any day, thanks. </p>
<p>Also, iirc, Bitter&#8217;s a NRA instructor? Do you do the basic pistol class anyway/interested in doing one? I want to get my first handgun (paperwork should be incoming), but I have NO idea what I want, and I need more than AC&#8217;s hour of &#8220;hey, this stuff is fun!&#8221; to know what I&#8217;m looking at. :)</p>
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		<title>By: DirtCrashr</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/02/02/outta-here/#comment-37852</link>
		<dc:creator>DirtCrashr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to see you go, but all the nastiness, acriomony and contentious wordplay and grammar-games makes me glad nobody who is&quot;anybody&quot; really visits my blog...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to see you go, but all the nastiness, acriomony and contentious wordplay and grammar-games makes me glad nobody who is&#8221;anybody&#8221; really visits my blog&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/02/02/outta-here/#comment-37822</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Ride Fast ... if you&#039;re annoying the people who deserve it, you&#039;re doing something right! I&#039;d like to see you keep on with the intelligent commentary.

Thanks for what you&#039;ve done, and I hope you return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Ride Fast &#8230; if you&#8217;re annoying the people who deserve it, you&#8217;re doing something right! I&#8217;d like to see you keep on with the intelligent commentary.</p>
<p>Thanks for what you&#8217;ve done, and I hope you return.</p>
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		<title>By: Bitter</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/02/02/outta-here/#comment-37818</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Justin. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Justin. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Buist</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/02/02/outta-here/#comment-37817</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Buist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad to see you go, Bitter.  I enjoyed the extra commentary from you.  I&#039;ve found that using an RSS reader makes it much easier for me to ID guest posts.

Love the food blogging at your own place, BTW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad to see you go, Bitter.  I enjoyed the extra commentary from you.  I&#8217;ve found that using an RSS reader makes it much easier for me to ID guest posts.</p>
<p>Love the food blogging at your own place, BTW.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Buist &#187; Blog Archive &#187; An Epidemic</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/02/02/outta-here/#comment-37815</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Buist &#187; Blog Archive &#187; An Epidemic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bitter&#8217;s hanging up the towel at Snowflakes in Hell. Too many comments ragging on her. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bitter&#8217;s hanging up the towel at Snowflakes in Hell. Too many comments ragging on her. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/02/02/outta-here/#comment-37776</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Focus, people - Sebastian isn&#039;t the problem, the problem is that our party is finalizing the act of selling us out wholesale for the votes of the God Squad.&quot; - Caleb

&quot;Were that true, Caleb, I would have photo-shopped a picture of Sebastian hanging from a lamp post. Sebastian is not the problem. Sebastian represents a type of human response to impending events that is typical throughout history.&quot; - Mike Vanderboegh

&quot;Yes, I will stop posting here because when one person goes so far as to say that when Sebastian becomes a problem, he will start posting photoshops of him dangling from a lamppost, just because I pointed out the actual duties of RNC position, that’s beyond reasonable and sane. At that point, there is no conversation to be had.&quot; - Bitter

1) MBV didn&#039;t say he &#039;will&#039;, he used the conditional here. Are you suggesting that when a reader misses the author tag it&#039;s deliberate, but it&#039;s OK for you to miss the verb tense? This isn&#039;t DooT, or Volokh Conspiracy, where it&#039;s well known that there are multiple authors. The vast majority of postings here are written by Sebastian, and citing a small percentage of guests as a reason to look at a greyed-out bit of copy doesn&#039;t really fly. It&#039;s not coincedental that folks tend to use &quot;Sebastian&quot;, &quot;SIH&quot;, and &quot;Snowflakes&quot; interchangably. This doesn&#039;t happen when a blog is known to be regularly multi-authored.
2) This all dates back to the day that Sebastian chose to make an issue of the now-famous Letter To The Editor that Mr. Vanderboegh wrote. &quot;Ye reap as ye sow&quot; and all that. This was a pretty laid-back place before that, as I&#039;m sure you remember. When you call people names and generally impugn them, you cannot really be shocked, shocked I tell you, when they respond in kind. No, it&#039;s not at all &#039;adult&#039; or &#039;mature&#039;, but people will be people.

Since combining your initials results in &quot;S&amp;B&quot;, I have to ask what kind of ammo you use  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Focus, people &#8211; Sebastian isn&#8217;t the problem, the problem is that our party is finalizing the act of selling us out wholesale for the votes of the God Squad.&#8221; &#8211; Caleb</p>
<p>&#8220;Were that true, Caleb, I would have photo-shopped a picture of Sebastian hanging from a lamp post. Sebastian is not the problem. Sebastian represents a type of human response to impending events that is typical throughout history.&#8221; &#8211; Mike Vanderboegh</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, I will stop posting here because when one person goes so far as to say that when Sebastian becomes a problem, he will start posting photoshops of him dangling from a lamppost, just because I pointed out the actual duties of RNC position, that’s beyond reasonable and sane. At that point, there is no conversation to be had.&#8221; &#8211; Bitter</p>
<p>1) MBV didn&#8217;t say he &#8216;will&#8217;, he used the conditional here. Are you suggesting that when a reader misses the author tag it&#8217;s deliberate, but it&#8217;s OK for you to miss the verb tense? This isn&#8217;t DooT, or Volokh Conspiracy, where it&#8217;s well known that there are multiple authors. The vast majority of postings here are written by Sebastian, and citing a small percentage of guests as a reason to look at a greyed-out bit of copy doesn&#8217;t really fly. It&#8217;s not coincedental that folks tend to use &#8220;Sebastian&#8221;, &#8220;SIH&#8221;, and &#8220;Snowflakes&#8221; interchangably. This doesn&#8217;t happen when a blog is known to be regularly multi-authored.<br />
2) This all dates back to the day that Sebastian chose to make an issue of the now-famous Letter To The Editor that Mr. Vanderboegh wrote. &#8220;Ye reap as ye sow&#8221; and all that. This was a pretty laid-back place before that, as I&#8217;m sure you remember. When you call people names and generally impugn them, you cannot really be shocked, shocked I tell you, when they respond in kind. No, it&#8217;s not at all &#8216;adult&#8217; or &#8216;mature&#8217;, but people will be people.</p>
<p>Since combining your initials results in &#8220;S&amp;B&#8221;, I have to ask what kind of ammo you use  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Linoge</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/02/02/outta-here/#comment-37773</link>
		<dc:creator>Linoge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I mentioned over at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2009/02/who_needs_enemies.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my corner of the &#039;verse&lt;/a&gt;, I am sorry to see you go, and I do hope you reconsider.  That said, I completely and absolutely understand your motivations concerning the move, &lt;em&gt;especially&lt;/em&gt; considering the individual who precipitated this event.  I do not think you should allow one moron to ruin your hobby/blogging, but I understand how it can happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I mentioned over at <a href="http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2009/02/who_needs_enemies.html" rel="nofollow">my corner of the &#8216;verse</a>, I am sorry to see you go, and I do hope you reconsider.  That said, I completely and absolutely understand your motivations concerning the move, <em>especially</em> considering the individual who precipitated this event.  I do not think you should allow one moron to ruin your hobby/blogging, but I understand how it can happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Bitter</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/02/02/outta-here/#comment-37768</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sebastian, well that and you bitching about what I post. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sebastian, well that and you bitching about what I post. :P</p>
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		<title>By: Bitter</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/02/02/outta-here/#comment-37767</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I completely disagree with you on that.  It&#039;s pretty obvious to see the author tag, much more so than previous themes here.  It&#039;s not too much to ask that someone look at it when they know there are guest bloggers here.  There have been guest bloggers here since this blog was started, and it&#039;s been regularly discussed in both comments and posts.  If another blogger chooses to ignore that just to take a stab at someone, then that&#039;s actively lying.

Yes, I will stop posting here because when one person goes so far as to say that when Sebastian becomes a problem, he will start posting photoshops of him dangling from a lamppost, just because I pointed out the actual duties of RNC position, that&#039;s beyond reasonable and sane.  At that point, there is no conversation to be had.  That crosses any level of civil discourse, and it was clearly framed to insult Sebastian just to insult him as opposed to having a real discussion about the nature of the RNC post and whether or not individual positions matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I completely disagree with you on that.  It&#8217;s pretty obvious to see the author tag, much more so than previous themes here.  It&#8217;s not too much to ask that someone look at it when they know there are guest bloggers here.  There have been guest bloggers here since this blog was started, and it&#8217;s been regularly discussed in both comments and posts.  If another blogger chooses to ignore that just to take a stab at someone, then that&#8217;s actively lying.</p>
<p>Yes, I will stop posting here because when one person goes so far as to say that when Sebastian becomes a problem, he will start posting photoshops of him dangling from a lamppost, just because I pointed out the actual duties of RNC position, that&#8217;s beyond reasonable and sane.  At that point, there is no conversation to be had.  That crosses any level of civil discourse, and it was clearly framed to insult Sebastian just to insult him as opposed to having a real discussion about the nature of the RNC post and whether or not individual positions matter.</p>
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