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	<title>Comments on: Mens Rea and the National Firearms Act</title>
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	<description>The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ...</description>
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		<title>By: Firearms</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/25/mens-rea-and-the-national-firearms-act/#comment-37423</link>
		<dc:creator>Firearms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>have you heard HR 45 act. it contains quite interesting topics for Firearms owners. which are listed below.

A training class is required to be licensed.

Disclosure of your storage method is required for license.

A thumb print is required for license.

Every sale recorded by the federal government.

If you move, and don’t tell the Attorney General within 60 days, you are a criminal.

If a firearm is stolen and you don’t report it, you are a criminal.

There will be no grandfathered firearms. If you do not obtain a license and report every firearm you currently own, you are a criminal.

There will be a license fee and a fee for the “services” provided at purchase time.

Licenses must be renewed every 5 years.

Now i think most of Firearm owners resubmit their firearms to government......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>have you heard HR 45 act. it contains quite interesting topics for Firearms owners. which are listed below.</p>
<p>A training class is required to be licensed.</p>
<p>Disclosure of your storage method is required for license.</p>
<p>A thumb print is required for license.</p>
<p>Every sale recorded by the federal government.</p>
<p>If you move, and don’t tell the Attorney General within 60 days, you are a criminal.</p>
<p>If a firearm is stolen and you don’t report it, you are a criminal.</p>
<p>There will be no grandfathered firearms. If you do not obtain a license and report every firearm you currently own, you are a criminal.</p>
<p>There will be a license fee and a fee for the “services” provided at purchase time.</p>
<p>Licenses must be renewed every 5 years.</p>
<p>Now i think most of Firearm owners resubmit their firearms to government&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/25/mens-rea-and-the-national-firearms-act/#comment-37374</link>
		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sebastian - I think there is at least one state which has outlawed bump firing already. It might be California. I&#039;m rather certain devices such as the Hellfire trigger system and the BMF activator are illegal there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sebastian &#8211; I think there is at least one state which has outlawed bump firing already. It might be California. I&#8217;m rather certain devices such as the Hellfire trigger system and the BMF activator are illegal there.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle &#187; Guilty Mind</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/25/mens-rea-and-the-national-firearms-act/#comment-37333</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle &#187; Guilty Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sebastian looks at malfunctioning semi-automatic rifles and NFA laws. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sebastian looks at malfunctioning semi-automatic rifles and NFA laws. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/25/mens-rea-and-the-national-firearms-act/#comment-37332</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bump firing is legal.  It&#039;s a single action of the trigger per one shot.  The law doesn&#039;t care if you actuate it by bump firing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bump firing is legal.  It&#8217;s a single action of the trigger per one shot.  The law doesn&#8217;t care if you actuate it by bump firing.</p>
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		<title>By: Navy Vet from Jersey</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/25/mens-rea-and-the-national-firearms-act/#comment-37331</link>
		<dc:creator>Navy Vet from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anybody here tried to &quot;bump fire&quot; a semi-automatic rifle? I have not yet myself, but I have wondered if anybody has been criminally charged somehow for doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anybody here tried to &#8220;bump fire&#8221; a semi-automatic rifle? I have not yet myself, but I have wondered if anybody has been criminally charged somehow for doing so.</p>
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		<title>By: Tam</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/25/mens-rea-and-the-national-firearms-act/#comment-37323</link>
		<dc:creator>Tam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 03:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the Hughes Amendment really pissed in the corn flakes of maybe the best piece of Federal gun legislation passed in my lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the Hughes Amendment really pissed in the corn flakes of maybe the best piece of Federal gun legislation passed in my lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/25/mens-rea-and-the-national-firearms-act/#comment-37317</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, technically speaking.  922(o) was inserted by the Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986 (talk about irony).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, technically speaking.  922(o) was inserted by the Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986 (talk about irony).</p>
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		<title>By: Skullz</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/25/mens-rea-and-the-national-firearms-act/#comment-37316</link>
		<dc:creator>Skullz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to derail your topic, but if he&#039;s being prosecuted under 922(o) (and I&#039;ll assume you&#039;re correct, rather than research it), this wouldn&#039;t be an NFA issue - as NFA is tax / treasury. This would be the GCA 1968 amendment known as the Firearms Owner&#039;s Protection Act - specifically the Hughes (may your favorite deity damn his soul) Amendment. Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to derail your topic, but if he&#8217;s being prosecuted under 922(o) (and I&#8217;ll assume you&#8217;re correct, rather than research it), this wouldn&#8217;t be an NFA issue &#8211; as NFA is tax / treasury. This would be the GCA 1968 amendment known as the Firearms Owner&#8217;s Protection Act &#8211; specifically the Hughes (may your favorite deity damn his soul) Amendment. Right?</p>
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		<title>By: illspirit</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/25/mens-rea-and-the-national-firearms-act/#comment-37314</link>
		<dc:creator>illspirit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The thing I think that really was damaging was the kids testimony that Olofson said he had fired automatic at the club before without the police having any issues.&quot;

Yes, but this goes back to the kid&#039;s level of understanding. Since there is no full-auto position in addition to burst, maybe he got semi-auto and auto confused. Perhaps Olofson was trying to reassure him that it was legal and said the police didn&#039;t care about &quot;semi-automatic,&quot; but then Kiernicki assumed that must mean rapid fire of some sort because it was proceeded by a disclaimer.

The kid was just learning to shoot the AR platform, no? With the terms auto, semi-auto, and burst being tossed back and forth, it&#039;s possible he got them mixed up. Or am I the only one who reads the transcripts as if he is sometimes differentiating auto and burst?

That the government was able to lead him to the testify that &quot;Three rounds come out&quot; from the phrase &quot;three-round burst &lt;em&gt;wouldn’t&lt;/em&gt; work&quot; also demonstrates that he is either, A, easily confused, and/or B, not a linguist. To say the least.

And who knows how much of this terminology he learned or relearned from coaching by ATF.

Between the incredibility of the star witness and the circumstantial nature of the evidence, I see nothing to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The thing I think that really was damaging was the kids testimony that Olofson said he had fired automatic at the club before without the police having any issues.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, but this goes back to the kid&#8217;s level of understanding. Since there is no full-auto position in addition to burst, maybe he got semi-auto and auto confused. Perhaps Olofson was trying to reassure him that it was legal and said the police didn&#8217;t care about &#8220;semi-automatic,&#8221; but then Kiernicki assumed that must mean rapid fire of some sort because it was proceeded by a disclaimer.</p>
<p>The kid was just learning to shoot the AR platform, no? With the terms auto, semi-auto, and burst being tossed back and forth, it&#8217;s possible he got them mixed up. Or am I the only one who reads the transcripts as if he is sometimes differentiating auto and burst?</p>
<p>That the government was able to lead him to the testify that &#8220;Three rounds come out&#8221; from the phrase &#8220;three-round burst <em>wouldn’t</em> work&#8221; also demonstrates that he is either, A, easily confused, and/or B, not a linguist. To say the least.</p>
<p>And who knows how much of this terminology he learned or relearned from coaching by ATF.</p>
<p>Between the incredibility of the star witness and the circumstantial nature of the evidence, I see nothing to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/25/mens-rea-and-the-national-firearms-act/#comment-37311</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skullz:

I think Olofson was charged under 922(o), for the transfer of a machine gun manufactured after 1986, rather than the § 5861(d) of the Internal Revenue Code.  922(o) is part of the United States criminal code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skullz:</p>
<p>I think Olofson was charged under 922(o), for the transfer of a machine gun manufactured after 1986, rather than the § 5861(d) of the Internal Revenue Code.  922(o) is part of the United States criminal code.</p>
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