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		<title>By: Wolfwood</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/10/anti-gun-political-capital/#comment-36556</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolfwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drat it all, Northern Virginia is a region; NOVA is a community college!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drat it all, Northern Virginia is a region; NOVA is a community college!</p>
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		<title>By: Snowflakes in Hell &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Attacking The Source of Anti-Gun Political Capital</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/10/anti-gun-political-capital/#comment-36549</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowflakes in Hell &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Attacking The Source of Anti-Gun Political Capital</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we talked about the sources of political capital for gun control organizations. If we understand the sources of the Brady Campaign&#8217;s political power, then we would also be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] we talked about the sources of political capital for gun control organizations. If we understand the sources of the Brady Campaign&#8217;s political power, then we would also be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/10/anti-gun-political-capital/#comment-36545</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 06:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>California&#039;s laws suck, sure, but they don&#039;t suck nearly enough to prevent the average Californian from owning as many guns as he wants to, as long as he&#039;s willing to forgo a few models here and there.  All but one of the guns I own now, I owned legally in California before, and even that one, an AR-15 with a STAG action, was one I later learned to be California legal.  In any event, the statewide crap-laws can&#039;t explain the huge variations within the state of gun ownership rates in rural vs. urban counties, when all Californians must deal with exactly the same laws.

By comparison, NYS laws suck across the board, too, but not enough to make gun ownership anywhere near as rare upstate as it is in and around NYC.  Focus on &quot;and around,&quot; as not all NYC suburbs have the same horrendous gun laws that NYC itself does.  Ditto for Chicago - a few suburbs copied their bans until a month or two ago, but the vast majority never did.  I&#039;d also be willing to wager that a similarly  percentage of NOVA residents are comfortable with guns, despite enjoying (or not enjoying, as it were) the same gun-friendly policies that the rest of Virginia takes for granted.

To the extent that horrendous local gun laws and low gun ownerships correlate, the causal arrow is mostly in the direction of low gun ownership rates causing crappy laws, not vice-versa.  Though it does work the other way, too.  I am living proof, having complied with Evanston, IL&#039;s handgun ban upon learning of it by ... getting the hell out of Evanston.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>California&#8217;s laws suck, sure, but they don&#8217;t suck nearly enough to prevent the average Californian from owning as many guns as he wants to, as long as he&#8217;s willing to forgo a few models here and there.  All but one of the guns I own now, I owned legally in California before, and even that one, an AR-15 with a STAG action, was one I later learned to be California legal.  In any event, the statewide crap-laws can&#8217;t explain the huge variations within the state of gun ownership rates in rural vs. urban counties, when all Californians must deal with exactly the same laws.</p>
<p>By comparison, NYS laws suck across the board, too, but not enough to make gun ownership anywhere near as rare upstate as it is in and around NYC.  Focus on &#8220;and around,&#8221; as not all NYC suburbs have the same horrendous gun laws that NYC itself does.  Ditto for Chicago &#8211; a few suburbs copied their bans until a month or two ago, but the vast majority never did.  I&#8217;d also be willing to wager that a similarly  percentage of NOVA residents are comfortable with guns, despite enjoying (or not enjoying, as it were) the same gun-friendly policies that the rest of Virginia takes for granted.</p>
<p>To the extent that horrendous local gun laws and low gun ownerships correlate, the causal arrow is mostly in the direction of low gun ownership rates causing crappy laws, not vice-versa.  Though it does work the other way, too.  I am living proof, having complied with Evanston, IL&#8217;s handgun ban upon learning of it by &#8230; getting the hell out of Evanston.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/10/anti-gun-political-capital/#comment-36543</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 06:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s true, but California&#039;s gun laws, as a whole, are pretty god awful.  I would also argue that New York City and Chicago are the two strongest urban centers that promote gun control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s true, but California&#8217;s gun laws, as a whole, are pretty god awful.  I would also argue that New York City and Chicago are the two strongest urban centers that promote gun control.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/10/anti-gun-political-capital/#comment-36542</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 06:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Outright bans or severe and heavy restrictions in several of America’s largest major metropolitan areas have so severely depressed gun ownership in these areas that no one has any familiarity with guns, or their responsible use.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not sure I buy that.  Chicago, NYC and DC have onerous gun ordinances, sure, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=48&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;preemption laws&lt;/a&gt; take that issue off the table almost everywhere else.  Los Angeles, San Francisco, etc. can&#039;t regulate firearm ownership at all, but that doesn&#039;t change the fact that few denizens of these cities own or appreciate firearms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Outright bans or severe and heavy restrictions in several of America’s largest major metropolitan areas have so severely depressed gun ownership in these areas that no one has any familiarity with guns, or their responsible use.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I buy that.  Chicago, NYC and DC have onerous gun ordinances, sure, but <a href="http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=48" rel="nofollow">preemption laws</a> take that issue off the table almost everywhere else.  Los Angeles, San Francisco, etc. can&#8217;t regulate firearm ownership at all, but that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that few denizens of these cities own or appreciate firearms.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/10/anti-gun-political-capital/#comment-36531</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim: The second post in this series is going up tomorrow, where I address that topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim: The second post in this series is going up tomorrow, where I address that topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim W</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/10/anti-gun-political-capital/#comment-36529</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 01:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunno if you guys follow the news that much, but apparently nearly all the mainstream media outlets are in dire financial straits due to their now rock solid reputation for bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunno if you guys follow the news that much, but apparently nearly all the mainstream media outlets are in dire financial straits due to their now rock solid reputation for bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Rio Arriba</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/10/anti-gun-political-capital/#comment-36527</link>
		<dc:creator>Rio Arriba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it&#039;s futile, but I print out the gunfacts.info latest PDF and send it to pols and &quot;journalists&quot; who seem fact-challenged. I agree that they are not really interested in the truth, but at least I have put good information in their hands.

Drip by drop. I have been told that my distribution of these print-outs had an effect on some recent very important legislative events in my home state. I&#039;d like to think that&#039;s true and that we can all play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s futile, but I print out the gunfacts.info latest PDF and send it to pols and &#8220;journalists&#8221; who seem fact-challenged. I agree that they are not really interested in the truth, but at least I have put good information in their hands.</p>
<p>Drip by drop. I have been told that my distribution of these print-outs had an effect on some recent very important legislative events in my home state. I&#8217;d like to think that&#8217;s true and that we can all play.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfwood</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/10/anti-gun-political-capital/#comment-36526</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolfwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The good thing from our side is that the media &lt;b&gt;need not&lt;/b&gt; be liberal and anti-gun.  Instapundit&#039;s &quot;Army of Davids&quot; has helped with this, both by discrediting the MSM and by providing easily-accessible alternative views.  

That&#039;s why so many of us &quot;prags&quot; are trying to avoid direct conflicts as much as reasonably possible.  We don&#039;t have the clout for a sustained political battle, or perhaps even for certain individual battles.  If we can tear down the unearned clout of the anti-RKBA folks, increase NRA membership (or at least RKBA support), and educate those around us about guns then our odds of winning in future battles stand a better chance.  

If the NRA is seen as constantly fighting losing battles its support will dry up.  If it&#039;s seen as winning when it chooses to act then people will be more confident about giving money in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The good thing from our side is that the media <b>need not</b> be liberal and anti-gun.  Instapundit&#8217;s &#8220;Army of Davids&#8221; has helped with this, both by discrediting the MSM and by providing easily-accessible alternative views.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why so many of us &#8220;prags&#8221; are trying to avoid direct conflicts as much as reasonably possible.  We don&#8217;t have the clout for a sustained political battle, or perhaps even for certain individual battles.  If we can tear down the unearned clout of the anti-RKBA folks, increase NRA membership (or at least RKBA support), and educate those around us about guns then our odds of winning in future battles stand a better chance.  </p>
<p>If the NRA is seen as constantly fighting losing battles its support will dry up.  If it&#8217;s seen as winning when it chooses to act then people will be more confident about giving money in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2009/01/10/anti-gun-political-capital/#comment-36524</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Do they really play it that well - or is the media so sympathetic to their side that they don’t have to try hard at all?&lt;/i&gt;

Both</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Do they really play it that well &#8211; or is the media so sympathetic to their side that they don’t have to try hard at all?</i></p>
<p>Both</p>
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