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		<title>By: medtechinsider &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Who Are You Calling Crippled, Punk?</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/12/03/hoisted-on-their-own-petard/#comment-35060</link>
		<dc:creator>medtechinsider &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Who Are You Calling Crippled, Punk?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] if that were not surreal enough, Carmel was quoted on gun blog SnowflakesinHell.com saying: “All the experts said the Palm Pistol would never be classified as a medical device by FDA [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] if that were not surreal enough, Carmel was quoted on gun blog SnowflakesinHell.com saying: “All the experts said the Palm Pistol would never be classified as a medical device by FDA [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Arthritic 9mm - INGunOwners</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/12/03/hoisted-on-their-own-petard/#comment-35051</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthritic 9mm - INGunOwners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we have hijacked it to help people buy guns! Matt has hoisted them on their own petard.&quot;  ( Snowflakes in Hell Blog Archive Hoisted on their Own Petard) As the nation&#039;s largest, non-partisan, grassroots organization leading the fight to prevent gun [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] we have hijacked it to help people buy guns! Matt has hoisted them on their own petard.&quot;  ( Snowflakes in Hell Blog Archive Hoisted on their Own Petard) As the nation&#8217;s largest, non-partisan, grassroots organization leading the fight to prevent gun [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Moriarty</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/12/03/hoisted-on-their-own-petard/#comment-34684</link>
		<dc:creator>Moriarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sebastian:

The sticking point, I think, is whether a Palm Pistol can meet Medicare&#039;s vague and nebulous standards of &quot;medical necessity&quot; to qualify for reimbursement.  My writing a prescription and stating that the patient requires something as a matter of necessity typically isn&#039;t enough.  

They have their own rules which are Byzantine, on a good day.  I had a dying patient who required Marinol (a prescription form of THC) to suppress her nausea and improve her appetite.  Medicare flatly rejected paying for my prescription, despite the widespread use of Marinol in hospice patients with similar problems.  She died without receiving it.  

(I was offered a choice of rewriting my prescription for another medication that was wholly inappropriate, but cheaper.  I refused.)

Just a foretaste of what&#039;s to come...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sebastian:</p>
<p>The sticking point, I think, is whether a Palm Pistol can meet Medicare&#8217;s vague and nebulous standards of &#8220;medical necessity&#8221; to qualify for reimbursement.  My writing a prescription and stating that the patient requires something as a matter of necessity typically isn&#8217;t enough.  </p>
<p>They have their own rules which are Byzantine, on a good day.  I had a dying patient who required Marinol (a prescription form of THC) to suppress her nausea and improve her appetite.  Medicare flatly rejected paying for my prescription, despite the widespread use of Marinol in hospice patients with similar problems.  She died without receiving it.  </p>
<p>(I was offered a choice of rewriting my prescription for another medication that was wholly inappropriate, but cheaper.  I refused.)</p>
<p>Just a foretaste of what&#8217;s to come&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Boyles</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/12/03/hoisted-on-their-own-petard/#comment-34649</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn Boyles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Freelance Writer, I was contacted by Matt Carmel after an article I had done on the problems experienced by the disabled in shooting traditional firearms was published in Concealed Carry Magazine. I&#039;ve been following his battle with the government trying to get his product licensed as a medical device. I love people who march to the beat of a different drummer. cboyles@aol.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Freelance Writer, I was contacted by Matt Carmel after an article I had done on the problems experienced by the disabled in shooting traditional firearms was published in Concealed Carry Magazine. I&#8217;ve been following his battle with the government trying to get his product licensed as a medical device. I love people who march to the beat of a different drummer. <a href="mailto:cboyles@aol.com">cboyles@aol.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Daily Pundit &#187; Coming to a pharmacy near you</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/12/03/hoisted-on-their-own-petard/#comment-34646</link>
		<dc:creator>Daily Pundit &#187; Coming to a pharmacy near you</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Of Arms and the Law and Snowflakes in Hell  Submit to Stumbled Upon!  -drach                       You must be logged in to post a comment.    [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Of Arms and the Law and Snowflakes in Hell  Submit to Stumbled Upon!  -drach                       You must be logged in to post a comment.    [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Palm pistol a medical device! &#124; The Firearm Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/12/03/hoisted-on-their-own-petard/#comment-34640</link>
		<dc:creator>Palm pistol a medical device! &#124; The Firearm Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Snowflakes In Hell has the word that the Palm Pistol will be classified as a medical device by the FDA. It is designed with people in mind who could not use a regular firearm, such as invalids or the elderly. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Snowflakes In Hell has the word that the Palm Pistol will be classified as a medical device by the FDA. It is designed with people in mind who could not use a regular firearm, such as invalids or the elderly. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Buist &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mmm&#8230; Crow.</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/12/03/hoisted-on-their-own-petard/#comment-34634</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Buist &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mmm&#8230; Crow.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out not only has the creator got it solidly classified as a pistol but Sebastian reports that he&#8217;s got the thing classified as a medical device now which might mean folks can get Medicare to help pay for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] out not only has the creator got it solidly classified as a pistol but Sebastian reports that he&#8217;s got the thing classified as a medical device now which might mean folks can get Medicare to help pay for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moriarty:

The Palm Pistol is already declared a standard handgun under ATF rules.  My understanding of the rule is, that if it&#039;s declared a &quot;medical device&quot; by FDA rules, if a doctor is willing to prescribe it, then medicare will have to pay for it.

But regardless of that.  ATF has already declared it a pistol, so you can get it through normal means as a firearm.  The question now is whether a doctor can prescribe it, and medicare pay for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moriarty:</p>
<p>The Palm Pistol is already declared a standard handgun under ATF rules.  My understanding of the rule is, that if it&#8217;s declared a &#8220;medical device&#8221; by FDA rules, if a doctor is willing to prescribe it, then medicare will have to pay for it.</p>
<p>But regardless of that.  ATF has already declared it a pistol, so you can get it through normal means as a firearm.  The question now is whether a doctor can prescribe it, and medicare pay for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Moriarty</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/12/03/hoisted-on-their-own-petard/#comment-34630</link>
		<dc:creator>Moriarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn!!

As a physician, I&#039;m looking forward to prescribing these.  

(Unfortunately, I doubt Medicare will pick up the tab.  I have a hard enough time getting them to cover wheelchairs.)

Interesting question:  If the FDA ruling forces the BATF to grant the Palm Pistol an exemption from AOW status under an implementation of the ADA (enough abbreviations yet?), would the exemption be granted on a case-by-case basis of &quot;medical need&quot; --  or for the device regardless of who owns it?

If the device is exempted from AOW status, what sort of doors will be opened for the reclassification of other palm pistols or &quot;knuckle dusters&quot; with unusual trigger mechanisms and shapes?  

If not, what happens to the exempt status if the owner dies?  Does it become an AOW?  Does the owner&#039;s surviving spouse or estate then become liable for the transfer tax and paperwork?  

Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn!!</p>
<p>As a physician, I&#8217;m looking forward to prescribing these.  </p>
<p>(Unfortunately, I doubt Medicare will pick up the tab.  I have a hard enough time getting them to cover wheelchairs.)</p>
<p>Interesting question:  If the FDA ruling forces the BATF to grant the Palm Pistol an exemption from AOW status under an implementation of the ADA (enough abbreviations yet?), would the exemption be granted on a case-by-case basis of &#8220;medical need&#8221; &#8212;  or for the device regardless of who owns it?</p>
<p>If the device is exempted from AOW status, what sort of doors will be opened for the reclassification of other palm pistols or &#8220;knuckle dusters&#8221; with unusual trigger mechanisms and shapes?  </p>
<p>If not, what happens to the exempt status if the owner dies?  Does it become an AOW?  Does the owner&#8217;s surviving spouse or estate then become liable for the transfer tax and paperwork?  </p>
<p>Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would still have to fill out all the same federal forms to get the firearm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would still have to fill out all the same federal forms to get the firearm.</p>
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