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		<title>By: Rivrdog</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/11/10/actual-kel-tec-p-3at-review/#comment-33313</link>
		<dc:creator>Rivrdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wolfwood, what pistol has the battery-lock you mentioned? The only ones that would fit that bill are locked breech pistols such as the AutoMag. You can achieve this feature with any pistol by buying/having built a barrel that extends past the slide. In the heavy calibers, barrels with muzzle brakes are usually available, but I&#039;ve never seen one in a pocket pistol.

You might fit a Walther PP barrel on a PPK to get the extra length.

BTW, I own and carry both the P3AT and the P-11. The P-11 is really just a 7/8 size Glock 19. It&#039;s pretty fat, an inch wide. The P3AT is only 6/10ths wide, IIRC. The P-11 is MUCH easier to shoot accurately, in fact I qualified with it (Possible!) on a multi-stage police course recently. I doubt if I could qualify with the P3AT, which is really a belly gun. The P-11 has 3-Dot sights, and the P3AT has only a rudimentary sight. I will not ever try to aim the P3AT, only point-shoot with it. Make the first shot a low, then walk the other 6 rounds up the target. I ALWAYS carry a spare P3AT mag on my belt (in an old Leatherman multi-tool case modified for it, so everyone thinks it&#039;s just a knife). I never carry loose magazines in pockets, they tend to snag and get full of pocket gnurds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolfwood, what pistol has the battery-lock you mentioned? The only ones that would fit that bill are locked breech pistols such as the AutoMag. You can achieve this feature with any pistol by buying/having built a barrel that extends past the slide. In the heavy calibers, barrels with muzzle brakes are usually available, but I&#8217;ve never seen one in a pocket pistol.</p>
<p>You might fit a Walther PP barrel on a PPK to get the extra length.</p>
<p>BTW, I own and carry both the P3AT and the P-11. The P-11 is really just a 7/8 size Glock 19. It&#8217;s pretty fat, an inch wide. The P3AT is only 6/10ths wide, IIRC. The P-11 is MUCH easier to shoot accurately, in fact I qualified with it (Possible!) on a multi-stage police course recently. I doubt if I could qualify with the P3AT, which is really a belly gun. The P-11 has 3-Dot sights, and the P3AT has only a rudimentary sight. I will not ever try to aim the P3AT, only point-shoot with it. Make the first shot a low, then walk the other 6 rounds up the target. I ALWAYS carry a spare P3AT mag on my belt (in an old Leatherman multi-tool case modified for it, so everyone thinks it&#8217;s just a knife). I never carry loose magazines in pockets, they tend to snag and get full of pocket gnurds.</p>
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		<title>By: N.U.G.U.N.</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/11/10/actual-kel-tec-p-3at-review/#comment-33267</link>
		<dc:creator>N.U.G.U.N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It really needs to lock back when empty.  I like my pistol telling me when it’s empty.  The Ruger LCP improves on the pocket pistol design by providing this.&quot;

The LCP does not lock back when empty. It just has a manual lock you can engage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It really needs to lock back when empty.  I like my pistol telling me when it’s empty.  The Ruger LCP improves on the pocket pistol design by providing this.&#8221;</p>
<p>The LCP does not lock back when empty. It just has a manual lock you can engage.</p>
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		<title>By: Alaska Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/11/10/actual-kel-tec-p-3at-review/#comment-33258</link>
		<dc:creator>Alaska Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just get a P-11 instead. Better cartridge, not that much difference in size. 9mm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just get a P-11 instead. Better cartridge, not that much difference in size. 9mm.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/11/10/actual-kel-tec-p-3at-review/#comment-33249</link>
		<dc:creator>Texas Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a third pary candidate?  I like my Kahr PM9.  More power, but still small.  Fits in a jeans pocket nicely.  It disappears in cargo pants, and even my wife can&#039;t tell I&#039;m wearing it with a belly band.  It&#039;s also a handful to shoot, but I haven&#039;t gotten any blisters.  My palm is sore after 200 rounds, for about a day.  

It&#039;s far more accurate - it stays in the 10 ring at 10 yards.  Plus, the slide locks back after the last round.  It&#039;s a simple design, similar to a Glock striker, with the only external switches being a slide lock and a mag release.

Granted, you can buy 2 Kel-Tecs for the price of one Kahr, but you get what you pay for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a third pary candidate?  I like my Kahr PM9.  More power, but still small.  Fits in a jeans pocket nicely.  It disappears in cargo pants, and even my wife can&#8217;t tell I&#8217;m wearing it with a belly band.  It&#8217;s also a handful to shoot, but I haven&#8217;t gotten any blisters.  My palm is sore after 200 rounds, for about a day.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s far more accurate &#8211; it stays in the 10 ring at 10 yards.  Plus, the slide locks back after the last round.  It&#8217;s a simple design, similar to a Glock striker, with the only external switches being a slide lock and a mag release.</p>
<p>Granted, you can buy 2 Kel-Tecs for the price of one Kahr, but you get what you pay for.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/11/10/actual-kel-tec-p-3at-review/#comment-33233</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As tempting as a laser is, if you need a laser then you’re already out of realistic range ...&quot;

... or your eyes are old enough that their focus is fixed at distance and you need reading glasses to focus on the the miniscule sights that are milled into the top of the slide, even with luminous sight paint added thereto, so when seconds count, picking up the sights at all is just wishful thinking.

I have this limitation, and laser sights overcome it quite well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As tempting as a laser is, if you need a laser then you’re already out of realistic range &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; or your eyes are old enough that their focus is fixed at distance and you need reading glasses to focus on the the miniscule sights that are milled into the top of the slide, even with luminous sight paint added thereto, so when seconds count, picking up the sights at all is just wishful thinking.</p>
<p>I have this limitation, and laser sights overcome it quite well.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle &#187; Kel-Tec P-3AT Review</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/11/10/actual-kel-tec-p-3at-review/#comment-33227</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle &#187; Kel-Tec P-3AT Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Wolfwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolfwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SayUncle&#039;s right: you definitely need one of the Hogue grips.  A mag extension (either pinkie or extra round) would be good, too.  As tempting as a laser is, if you need a laser then you&#039;re already out of realistic range.  

What might be nice is some after-market kit that prevents the slide from going out of battery if the muzzle is pressed against something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SayUncle&#8217;s right: you definitely need one of the Hogue grips.  A mag extension (either pinkie or extra round) would be good, too.  As tempting as a laser is, if you need a laser then you&#8217;re already out of realistic range.  </p>
<p>What might be nice is some after-market kit that prevents the slide from going out of battery if the muzzle is pressed against something.</p>
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		<title>By: guy</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/11/10/actual-kel-tec-p-3at-review/#comment-33205</link>
		<dc:creator>guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;who reloads 380? C’mon.&quot;

I reload for mine.  Even with virgin components I can make a round that equals the &quot;self defense&quot; loads for close to half the price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;who reloads 380? C’mon.&#8221;</p>
<p>I reload for mine.  Even with virgin components I can make a round that equals the &#8220;self defense&#8221; loads for close to half the price.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shoulda held out for the LCP.  Mine is dandy, and I purchased a Crimson Trace laser sight for it this weekend.  Its two pieces clamp onto the trigger guard.  It sits under the chin of the barrel with the ON button on the front of the grip, just under the trigger guard, where it belongs.  Tastes great, less filling.

And, Jim is correct.  The slide does NOT automatically lock back when the last shot is fired.  But it does lock back manually, which makes loading it 6+1 quite easy.

A  hint:  Get a firm grip, then grip it much harder.  Center the pad of the trigger finger on the trigger and keep the last joint of the finger well outside the trigger guard.

It&#039;s a handful, but it&#039;s a nice handful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shoulda held out for the LCP.  Mine is dandy, and I purchased a Crimson Trace laser sight for it this weekend.  Its two pieces clamp onto the trigger guard.  It sits under the chin of the barrel with the ON button on the front of the grip, just under the trigger guard, where it belongs.  Tastes great, less filling.</p>
<p>And, Jim is correct.  The slide does NOT automatically lock back when the last shot is fired.  But it does lock back manually, which makes loading it 6+1 quite easy.</p>
<p>A  hint:  Get a firm grip, then grip it much harder.  Center the pad of the trigger finger on the trigger and keep the last joint of the finger well outside the trigger guard.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a handful, but it&#8217;s a nice handful.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t, yet.  But I save brass just in case I decide to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t, yet.  But I save brass just in case I decide to.</p>
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