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		<title>By: Guav</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/11/06/the-palin-effect/#comment-33105</link>
		<dc:creator>Guav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 03:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I already explained, there is a difference between misspeaking and not knowing things. I give Obama a pass on things like for the same reason I give Palin a pass on things like that--I don&#039;t for a minute think she thinks Afghanistan borders the US--she just misspoke. It doesn&#039;t bother me when candidates make verbal gaffes or misspeak, it bothers me when they don&#039;t have a basic working knowledge of important issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I already explained, there is a difference between misspeaking and not knowing things. I give Obama a pass on things like for the same reason I give Palin a pass on things like that&#8211;I don&#8217;t for a minute think she thinks Afghanistan borders the US&#8211;she just misspoke. It doesn&#8217;t bother me when candidates make verbal gaffes or misspeak, it bothers me when they don&#8217;t have a basic working knowledge of important issues.</p>
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		<title>By: B Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/11/06/the-palin-effect/#comment-33100</link>
		<dc:creator>B Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guav lost me at comment #8. He&#039;s willing to give Obama a pass on the &quot;57 states&quot; , but Palin is just  ignorant.
His mind is made up, and I wouldn&#039;t waste time arguing with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guav lost me at comment #8. He&#8217;s willing to give Obama a pass on the &#8220;57 states&#8221; , but Palin is just  ignorant.<br />
His mind is made up, and I wouldn&#8217;t waste time arguing with him.</p>
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		<title>By: Guav</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/11/06/the-palin-effect/#comment-32912</link>
		<dc:creator>Guav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Robb&lt;/strong&gt;, I certainly don&#039;t expect her to know anything about fruit flies—I sure as hell don&#039;t—but she had just got done talking about how:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;For many parents of children with disabilities, the most valuable thing of all is information. Early identification of a cognitive or other disorder, especially autism, can make a life-changing difference.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And then she says something like ....&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;And sometimes these dollars [earmarks] go to projects that have little or nothing to do with the &lt;em&gt;public&lt;/em&gt; good, things like ... fruit fly research in &lt;em&gt;Paris, France&lt;/em&gt;. I kid you not!&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;....  without, apparently, knowing that fruit fly research is the cornerstone of much of modern genetic research—and has been key in &lt;em&gt;understanding autism&lt;/em&gt;.

Yeah, I get it: it sounds funny, and it&#039;s fun to make fun of France too. But this is stuff you learn in biology class. It&#039;s in the news. I don&#039;t expect our politicians to understand all of modern science, but it shouldn’t be too much to ask for them to learn about it before they mock it. It&#039;s not even like someone asked her what she thought about fruit fly research and she didn&#039;t know the answer so she winged it—&lt;em&gt;she brought it up&lt;/em&gt;. 

I&#039;m tired of this anti-knowledge, anti-intellectualism that&#039;s going around. It&#039;s the same thing that happens in the inner cities where kids who bother to learn are mocked, beaten up and accused of &quot;acting white.&quot; Yeah, that&#039;s working out real well for them.

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Even as a developer, I don’t know a lot of the features available in the frameworks I use.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;Right. And I&#039;m willing to wager you don&#039;t present yourself as someone who knows enough about them to speak on them, and you probably don&#039;t make fun of them. Mocking shit you don&#039;t understand is just ignorant. Period. 

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Hell, I don’t know everyone involved in NAFTA.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;I don&#039;t expect you to—you&#039;re not running for Vice President of the United States. If you were, I&#039;d expect you know. It involves North America, so it&#039;s the US, Canada and Mexico.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Robb</strong>, I certainly don&#8217;t expect her to know anything about fruit flies—I sure as hell don&#8217;t—but she had just got done talking about how:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;For many parents of children with disabilities, the most valuable thing of all is information. Early identification of a cognitive or other disorder, especially autism, can make a life-changing difference.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>And then she says something like &#8230;.<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;And sometimes these dollars [earmarks] go to projects that have little or nothing to do with the <em>public</em> good, things like &#8230; fruit fly research in <em>Paris, France</em>. I kid you not!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;.  without, apparently, knowing that fruit fly research is the cornerstone of much of modern genetic research—and has been key in <em>understanding autism</em>.</p>
<p>Yeah, I get it: it sounds funny, and it&#8217;s fun to make fun of France too. But this is stuff you learn in biology class. It&#8217;s in the news. I don&#8217;t expect our politicians to understand all of modern science, but it shouldn’t be too much to ask for them to learn about it before they mock it. It&#8217;s not even like someone asked her what she thought about fruit fly research and she didn&#8217;t know the answer so she winged it—<em>she brought it up</em>. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m tired of this anti-knowledge, anti-intellectualism that&#8217;s going around. It&#8217;s the same thing that happens in the inner cities where kids who bother to learn are mocked, beaten up and accused of &#8220;acting white.&#8221; Yeah, that&#8217;s working out real well for them.</p>
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<blockquote>&#8220;Even as a developer, I don’t know a lot of the features available in the frameworks I use.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p></strong>Right. And I&#8217;m willing to wager you don&#8217;t present yourself as someone who knows enough about them to speak on them, and you probably don&#8217;t make fun of them. Mocking shit you don&#8217;t understand is just ignorant. Period. </p>
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<blockquote>&#8220;Hell, I don’t know everyone involved in NAFTA.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p></strong>I don&#8217;t expect you to—you&#8217;re not running for Vice President of the United States. If you were, I&#8217;d expect you know. It involves North America, so it&#8217;s the US, Canada and Mexico.</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/11/06/the-palin-effect/#comment-32910</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guav, who cares is she was the first or last person &lt;i&gt;given that there&#039;s no proof she actually said it&lt;/i&gt;???

I agree though that she didn&#039;t interview well. However, I attribute it to &quot;Oh crap, what can I say that won&#039;t piss of half the country that already hates my guts&quot; more than ignorance.

But between you, me, and every last human on earth, I prefer my politicians to not understand the intricacies of fruit fly reproductive systems. I work in the computer programming business and there&#039;s nothing more destructive to a working application than a VP who remembers a little code from &#039;74 and thinks that gives them all the know how to tell me how to write the system.

The US is too big for any one person to know every last bit about how it works. Even as a developer, I don&#039;t know a lot of the features available in the frameworks I use. What I AM good at is figuring out things in short order and understanding how they all fit together. I want that from a politician more than I want them to be able to recall the names of the last 7 sultans of Shitcanistan.

Hell, &lt;b&gt;I&lt;/b&gt; don&#039;t know everyone involved in NAFTA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guav, who cares is she was the first or last person <i>given that there&#8217;s no proof she actually said it</i>???</p>
<p>I agree though that she didn&#8217;t interview well. However, I attribute it to &#8220;Oh crap, what can I say that won&#8217;t piss of half the country that already hates my guts&#8221; more than ignorance.</p>
<p>But between you, me, and every last human on earth, I prefer my politicians to not understand the intricacies of fruit fly reproductive systems. I work in the computer programming business and there&#8217;s nothing more destructive to a working application than a VP who remembers a little code from &#8217;74 and thinks that gives them all the know how to tell me how to write the system.</p>
<p>The US is too big for any one person to know every last bit about how it works. Even as a developer, I don&#8217;t know a lot of the features available in the frameworks I use. What I AM good at is figuring out things in short order and understanding how they all fit together. I want that from a politician more than I want them to be able to recall the names of the last 7 sultans of Shitcanistan.</p>
<p>Hell, <b>I</b> don&#8217;t know everyone involved in NAFTA.</p>
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		<title>By: Guav</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/11/06/the-palin-effect/#comment-32908</link>
		<dc:creator>Guav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Robb&lt;/b&gt;: She wouldn&#039;t be the first person to think so—I&#039;ve actually encountered someone who thought that before. I find it conceivable, yes. Geography is not everyone&#039;s strong suit. I&#039;m far less troubled by that then her not knowing who NAFTA involved or making fun of fruit fly research. Or sitting there telling us that she was not found guilty of any unethical behavior or wrongdoing when the verdict was the precise opposite.

&lt;b&gt;Tom&lt;/b&gt;: the McCain campaign has said there was nothing wrong with the questions—they were all perfectly legitimate. If you want to see how a prepared candidate handles a tough interviewer, watch O&#039;Reilly&#039;s interview with Obama. O&#039;Reilly was aggressive and combative—and that&#039;s fine, &lt;i&gt;because he should have been&lt;/i&gt;. But Palin has never faced an interview like that, and probably never will. Katie Couric is not exactly known for her toughness. &quot;What news sources do you read&quot; is not a &quot;gotcha&quot; question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Robb</b>: She wouldn&#8217;t be the first person to think so—I&#8217;ve actually encountered someone who thought that before. I find it conceivable, yes. Geography is not everyone&#8217;s strong suit. I&#8217;m far less troubled by that then her not knowing who NAFTA involved or making fun of fruit fly research. Or sitting there telling us that she was not found guilty of any unethical behavior or wrongdoing when the verdict was the precise opposite.</p>
<p><b>Tom</b>: the McCain campaign has said there was nothing wrong with the questions—they were all perfectly legitimate. If you want to see how a prepared candidate handles a tough interviewer, watch O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s interview with Obama. O&#8217;Reilly was aggressive and combative—and that&#8217;s fine, <i>because he should have been</i>. But Palin has never faced an interview like that, and probably never will. Katie Couric is not exactly known for her toughness. &#8220;What news sources do you read&#8221; is not a &#8220;gotcha&#8221; question.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeron</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/11/06/the-palin-effect/#comment-32906</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that the Gibson interview was extremely edited (to the point that her answer was from another question than the one they asked) tells me that they were out to get her.  Yeah, even the raw footage it wasn&#039;t a great interview, but they made her look far worse than she was and had too many gotcha&#039;s when Gibson was actually wrong.  (The Bush Doctrine, Exact Words, etc)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that the Gibson interview was extremely edited (to the point that her answer was from another question than the one they asked) tells me that they were out to get her.  Yeah, even the raw footage it wasn&#8217;t a great interview, but they made her look far worse than she was and had too many gotcha&#8217;s when Gibson was actually wrong.  (The Bush Doctrine, Exact Words, etc)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/11/06/the-palin-effect/#comment-32885</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree that &quot;she was not specifically targeted by the media to look stupid&quot; and that &quot;was absolutely nothing wrong with the questions she was asked.&quot;

Of course she was targeted, the MSM hated her from the instant she was picked and many of the questions were &quot;gotchas&quot;.  I do agree that she could have answered better, but the questions were not designed to gain information -- they were to stump her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree that &#8220;she was not specifically targeted by the media to look stupid&#8221; and that &#8220;was absolutely nothing wrong with the questions she was asked.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course she was targeted, the MSM hated her from the instant she was picked and many of the questions were &#8220;gotchas&#8221;.  I do agree that she could have answered better, but the questions were not designed to gain information &#8212; they were to stump her.</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robb Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;obviously Obama does not actually think there are 57 states—&quot;

And yet you claim Palin thinks Africa is a country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;obviously Obama does not actually think there are 57 states—&#8221;</p>
<p>And yet you claim Palin thinks Africa is a country?</p>
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		<title>By: Guav</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/11/06/the-palin-effect/#comment-32878</link>
		<dc:creator>Guav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Robb&lt;/b&gt;, she was not specifically targeted by the media to look stupid, she was just totally unprepared for the interview and the national spotlight. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the questions she was asked, she just couldn&#039;t answer them well. She doesn&#039;t interview well, she doesn&#039;t debate well—says a whole lot of words and doesn&#039;t answer the question—so what is it that she does do well? Read scripted speeches? Anyone can do that. I just see in her a female GWB, and I&#039;m very much not interested in that.

&lt;b&gt;Sebastian&lt;/b&gt;, knowledge matters to &lt;i&gt;me&lt;/i&gt; in a candidate—I know most voters aren&#039;t knowledgeable, but most voters are not trying to VP or POTUS.

And there&#039;s a difference between being stupid and being ignorant or unknowledgeable. I don&#039;t think she knows enough for the office for which she was running, but I don&#039;t actually think she&#039;s stupid. Yeah, she&#039;s smart—but she&#039;s also incurious and not knowledgeable enough. 

Like you said, that can be fixed. When it is, I&#039;ll reassess her.

&lt;b&gt;Zeron&lt;/b&gt;, obviously Obama does not actually think there are 57 states—it&#039;s misspeaking—just like I know Palin does not actually think that Afghanistan borders the United States. I can easily forgive gaffes like that on both sides, everyone makes those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Robb</b>, she was not specifically targeted by the media to look stupid, she was just totally unprepared for the interview and the national spotlight. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the questions she was asked, she just couldn&#8217;t answer them well. She doesn&#8217;t interview well, she doesn&#8217;t debate well—says a whole lot of words and doesn&#8217;t answer the question—so what is it that she does do well? Read scripted speeches? Anyone can do that. I just see in her a female GWB, and I&#8217;m very much not interested in that.</p>
<p><b>Sebastian</b>, knowledge matters to <i>me</i> in a candidate—I know most voters aren&#8217;t knowledgeable, but most voters are not trying to VP or POTUS.</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s a difference between being stupid and being ignorant or unknowledgeable. I don&#8217;t think she knows enough for the office for which she was running, but I don&#8217;t actually think she&#8217;s stupid. Yeah, she&#8217;s smart—but she&#8217;s also incurious and not knowledgeable enough. </p>
<p>Like you said, that can be fixed. When it is, I&#8217;ll reassess her.</p>
<p><b>Zeron</b>, obviously Obama does not actually think there are 57 states—it&#8217;s misspeaking—just like I know Palin does not actually think that Afghanistan borders the United States. I can easily forgive gaffes like that on both sides, everyone makes those.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeron</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/11/06/the-palin-effect/#comment-32867</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guav:  The fact that the next president says there are 57 states is also bothersome to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guav:  The fact that the next president says there are 57 states is also bothersome to me.</p>
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