I don’t care what anyone thinks of me, so long as I don’t give them cause to think I’m dishonest.

III

While you’re not worried about Obama taking your guns, i’m worried about actually getting guns, so I can have a cabinet-full like yours. With Obama in the White House, a democratic super-majority in congress, and a loaded Supreme Court, the anti-gun people will have a rubber stamp to do anything they please: Lawsuits against gun makers, “child-proof guns”, semi-automatics and .50 cals added to NFA if not banned, etc.

With Obama in the White House, my cabinet will probably never be as full as yours. Especially if Obama’s “common sense regulations” causes an increase in prices.

While Mr Young has some good points, granting total control to THE party so covetous of power, the same people from congress who passed the PATRIOT ACT and a host of the others he rails against…and speaking of which, just WHERE and WHEN was that PATRIOT ACT drafted up? You think that pos was just whipped together in a few days or you think that shit was written up the LAST time the WTC was attacked under Clinton, when we had OKC and WACO?

The mere fact that you don’t have the balls or common sense to vote against BOTH sides of the coin and support a 3rd party shows that you don’t give a damn about rights in general. Oh, and another thing, guess what voting for Obama WILL do for the republicans. It’ll show them that their shit isn’t far enough to the left.

There will be no reasoning with him, no intelligent discussion because he has a horrible case of “TWO party-itis” and obviously thinks that picking the other greater evil that openly stands in opposition to all he CLAIMS he stands for will somehow magically make things different and better.

Useful idiot comes to mind.

Perhaps you should google the term “Judendienstordnung.” Say it five times fast while looking in a mirror. In English, it means “Jews Who Keep Order.” You fit the pattern.

Mike Vanderboegh

III

I am for real. Where do you get that bullshit that Obama’s a Socialist? Was it McCain’s redistribution talking point you are referring to? Well what has been the real distribution of the wealth in this country? It has been the destruction of the middle class by rigging the game so that those with the most get the most advantages. The role of government is to act as the referee in the economic game, not to be a player. What has happened since Regan is the referee was been not been a fair arbitrator! So now we see the stock market tank, a credit crisis, and the CEO’s who did nothing but fuck it all up walk away with millions of our money. Then you have the same bozos that created this mess step in and nationalize insurance companies and banks. What are you smoking, because it seems that it must have gotten into your eyes? The whole damn thing is already socialist and it was created by both parties. I just choose the guy that I feel will give me fair shake (Obama). Do you believe in a graduated income tax system – it’s socialist and unconstitutional (the constitution only provides for an excise tax)? My point is that just because someone claims to stand for something doesn’t they really mean it. My party the Republicans which used to stand for states’ rights, balanced budget, individual liberty, now try to push their social agenda on me. They continue to subvert the constitution and usurp the rights of the states, they have created a deficit in the last 8 years larger than all the administration before them combined, and finally they have passed some of the most intrusive legislation to my liberties in the history of this country (to Paraphrase Ben Franklin “those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither”). Let me make this clear, these fuckers are not your friends, they want only one thing that is power and we need to check their desire by throwing them out every so often. The Republicans or McCain would take your gun in a heartbeat in the name of national security in order to preserve their power. Ask McCain if he believes in what Pat Buchanan said “that any gun that you don’t have to tow with a trailer hitch should be legal”. I believe even those weapons should be legal, their not because you have all fallen for the specious argument that the debate is about your right to hunt and self protection. Gun control it is really about power, which should reside with the governed.

At least by changing who controls the Government we will start moving this country away from the policies of President Dipshit. If in 4 years Obama screws it up we can change again, but I am unwilling to support a dottering old fool who wants to continue the policy of the last eight years, and yes he was a hero by resisting the North Vietnamese. I fought in Vietnam too, got wounded and was decorated for valor, should I be President? McCain may have been capable of being President 8 years ago but no longer and Palin is nothing but a moose hunting bimbo, my duck hunting dog Moses is smarter than that bombastic bitch.

If in the next four years, after McCain loses, maybe the Republicans can get their shit together and dump the crazy nuts who want to try control my life and tell me what I do in my own home and on my own ranch.

If you want to keep your gun and not have to use it to protect your rights then use you head instead, quit being taken in by McCain.

In regard to the history of gun ownership and use and the reasons people might own them, these are cultural issues. They cannot and will not be changed overnight, over a presidential term, or even over a lifetime.

Please … do not be so quick to divide, so quick to cast people off or out. Find your common ground as a first approach, and your intractable differences as a last approach. A truly last approach.

Be thoughtful, conservative, and patient about these issues.

“armor piercing ammo” anyone? Guess what THAT means, pretty much every center fire rifle cartridge. That seems to pretty much eliminate the “fudd vs defense” argument, doesn’t it?

David, just what DOES Obama want to do to “fix” this country? Is that “fix” as in repair or “fix” as in punish (I’ll fix you!) Remaking it in his glorious vision of what it should be is far outside the constitution, if not a direct assault on it. When your support of someone who, in conjunction with CONgress, who WILL remove your right to choose what gun you even have the opportunity to buy you do far more harm and you get the government you deserve. Sadly you drag us all down to hell with you.

What you post sounds nice and I want to agree with it, but the problem is that the Fudd’s hate and loathe us. They hate us when we try to get along with them and they hate us when we fight them. It’s the same kind of thing as the elites hating Sara Palin’s guts.

The thing is that as far as they are concerned, vis-a-vis gun banning, they are probably right. The banners will probably never ban the types of guns they like to shoot. Hell, those guns are still legal in England.

It just seems to me to be an unbridgeable divide.

You were making sense up until that point.