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		<title>By: R Bron</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/29/update-on-cooper-firearms-issue/#comment-32508</link>
		<dc:creator>R Bron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Cooper Firearms:
We are gun owners, we are Montanans and we are Obama supporters.  Since you have made gun ownership a partisan issue, which it is not and never should have been, shame on you.  We never asked you who you were voting for and it was not a factor for us.  But now you have said point blank, that anyone who supports Senator Obama should not be associated with you - well, there goes a lot of business.

You still have a chance to stand up and show yourselves to be true Americans - in this land of FREE SPEECH!  Yes, Dan Cooper had every right to do what he did and your silencing of him by forcing his resignation, is only the first step in taking individual rights away.  So you see, by virtue of the fact that you did not allow your company President to be who he was, completely within his constitutional rights, you have done more harm than good to erode our constitutional rights.  Shame on you!

We never asked your company who it supported for President but you allowed the opinions of a few to dictate your policies.  Trust me, you will lose far more than you will gain by ousting the founder of your once fine company.

Your actions have shown us that your policies are anti-constitutional and in reality, anti gun-ownership because you do not protect our rights equally.  You are willing to bow to political pressure and that means that you have no backbone and that you blow whichever way the political wind is blowing.  Study history, read your economics lessons, your recent actions, in the end, will hurt your company more than Dan Cooper ever did!  In fact, if anything, Dan Cooper better promoted the interests of gun owners and gun ownership than anything else you&#039;ve done in recent weeks and months.
Sham on you for being political, weak and ultimately, anti-constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Cooper Firearms:<br />
We are gun owners, we are Montanans and we are Obama supporters.  Since you have made gun ownership a partisan issue, which it is not and never should have been, shame on you.  We never asked you who you were voting for and it was not a factor for us.  But now you have said point blank, that anyone who supports Senator Obama should not be associated with you &#8211; well, there goes a lot of business.</p>
<p>You still have a chance to stand up and show yourselves to be true Americans &#8211; in this land of FREE SPEECH!  Yes, Dan Cooper had every right to do what he did and your silencing of him by forcing his resignation, is only the first step in taking individual rights away.  So you see, by virtue of the fact that you did not allow your company President to be who he was, completely within his constitutional rights, you have done more harm than good to erode our constitutional rights.  Shame on you!</p>
<p>We never asked your company who it supported for President but you allowed the opinions of a few to dictate your policies.  Trust me, you will lose far more than you will gain by ousting the founder of your once fine company.</p>
<p>Your actions have shown us that your policies are anti-constitutional and in reality, anti gun-ownership because you do not protect our rights equally.  You are willing to bow to political pressure and that means that you have no backbone and that you blow whichever way the political wind is blowing.  Study history, read your economics lessons, your recent actions, in the end, will hurt your company more than Dan Cooper ever did!  In fact, if anything, Dan Cooper better promoted the interests of gun owners and gun ownership than anything else you&#8217;ve done in recent weeks and months.<br />
Sham on you for being political, weak and ultimately, anti-constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike F</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/29/update-on-cooper-firearms-issue/#comment-32272</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan Cooper still owns stock in the company, and I would wager a large chunk of it.  I won&#039;t give money to Cooper firearms so that Dan Cooper can take the profits and donate them to anti-gun causes.  This is self-defeating.  Furthermore, the company has had several changing stories about the amount of the contributions, when they were made, supporting McCain, etc.  I have another name for an untrue story that is intentionaly misrepresented as true, I call that a lie.  I won&#039;t deal with an untrustworthy company either.  

When Dan Cooper no longer owns a sizable chunk of the company, and the company comes clean about their untrue stantments regarding this mess and they clearly say that he (or they lied) about this, then I will CONSIDER buying from them  --  but I probably won&#039;t.  I still won&#039;t buy anything from Smith &amp; Wesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Cooper still owns stock in the company, and I would wager a large chunk of it.  I won&#8217;t give money to Cooper firearms so that Dan Cooper can take the profits and donate them to anti-gun causes.  This is self-defeating.  Furthermore, the company has had several changing stories about the amount of the contributions, when they were made, supporting McCain, etc.  I have another name for an untrue story that is intentionaly misrepresented as true, I call that a lie.  I won&#8217;t deal with an untrustworthy company either.  </p>
<p>When Dan Cooper no longer owns a sizable chunk of the company, and the company comes clean about their untrue stantments regarding this mess and they clearly say that he (or they lied) about this, then I will CONSIDER buying from them  &#8212;  but I probably won&#8217;t.  I still won&#8217;t buy anything from Smith &amp; Wesson.</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/29/update-on-cooper-firearms-issue/#comment-32242</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, there are many, many other companies to choose from. Mr. Cooper soiled his company&#039;s name. Sad but true.

I also await to find out if Mr. Cooper actually steps down. With only 38 employees, I have a feeling he&#039;s not exactly outnumbered and can still maintain control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, there are many, many other companies to choose from. Mr. Cooper soiled his company&#8217;s name. Sad but true.</p>
<p>I also await to find out if Mr. Cooper actually steps down. With only 38 employees, I have a feeling he&#8217;s not exactly outnumbered and can still maintain control.</p>
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		<title>By: Achmed</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/29/update-on-cooper-firearms-issue/#comment-32241</link>
		<dc:creator>Achmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Kristopher, the stocks Mr. Cooper owns after he resigns are relevant.  I, for one, don&#039;t want to give business to a company that Mr. Cooper still benefits from financially.  Vindictive?  Perhaps...  The guy is in the firearms business, and he supported the most anti-gun politician to ever have a shot at the presidency.  As far as I&#039;m concerned this is grounds for making the man a pariah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Kristopher, the stocks Mr. Cooper owns after he resigns are relevant.  I, for one, don&#8217;t want to give business to a company that Mr. Cooper still benefits from financially.  Vindictive?  Perhaps&#8230;  The guy is in the firearms business, and he supported the most anti-gun politician to ever have a shot at the presidency.  As far as I&#8217;m concerned this is grounds for making the man a pariah.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristopher</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/29/update-on-cooper-firearms-issue/#comment-32213</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once he resigns, what stocks he owns are irrelevant.

Are you planning on boycotting Dow Jones index stocks because leftist trust-fund kiddies might have some of their money there?

If he continues to run the company on the side, then that would be a different story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once he resigns, what stocks he owns are irrelevant.</p>
<p>Are you planning on boycotting Dow Jones index stocks because leftist trust-fund kiddies might have some of their money there?</p>
<p>If he continues to run the company on the side, then that would be a different story.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/29/update-on-cooper-firearms-issue/#comment-32204</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing to me how many people are willing to draw detailed conclusions about people&#039;s motives without having one shred of information as to what&#039;s actually going on in the person&#039;s mind.  I honestly have no idea why Dan Cooper, as a gun manufacturer, thought voting for Obama was a good choice.  I don&#039;t know what his philosophy on guns is, and how he thought Obama related to them.  And to be honest, I don&#039;t care.  My only concern is that Obama has a shitty record on guns, and a gun maker who claims to support the Second Amendment is voting for him.  That was enough information to release the hounds.  But I&#039;m not going to speculate on what kind of gun guy Dan Cooper is.  I don&#039;t really know.  I doubt many other people do either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing to me how many people are willing to draw detailed conclusions about people&#8217;s motives without having one shred of information as to what&#8217;s actually going on in the person&#8217;s mind.  I honestly have no idea why Dan Cooper, as a gun manufacturer, thought voting for Obama was a good choice.  I don&#8217;t know what his philosophy on guns is, and how he thought Obama related to them.  And to be honest, I don&#8217;t care.  My only concern is that Obama has a shitty record on guns, and a gun maker who claims to support the Second Amendment is voting for him.  That was enough information to release the hounds.  But I&#8217;m not going to speculate on what kind of gun guy Dan Cooper is.  I don&#8217;t really know.  I doubt many other people do either.</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/29/update-on-cooper-firearms-issue/#comment-32203</link>
		<dc:creator>Oscar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is anyone surprised by Cooper, Zumbo et al.?

Let&#039;s face it, Cooper and Zumbo&#039;s prime markets were (and are) &quot;sport&quot; hunters or &quot;sport&quot; target shooters. Much like the Brits, too many individuals in these communities tend to view guns as toys and their activity as a game. From their perspective, there is no contradiction between their ownership of firearms and their support for Obama. Such individuals would have no problem with a broad range of &quot;common sense&quot; gun control measures, with the implicit caveat that their particular &quot;sport&quot; would not be affected. That is: If laws against knives do not apply to &quot;players&quot; carrying swords at a Society for Creative Anachronism event, then laws against guns would not apply to &quot;players&quot; of &quot;outdoor sports&quot;. 

This is how I grew to understand something that I observed just within the past month. A friend invited me to a private, outdoor range in northern VA. As he showed me about the property, we came upon the clay shooters doing their &quot;sport&quot;. Sure enough, parked in front of this clay shooting area were several vehicles with Obama &#039;08 bumper stickers. My first reaction, of course, was to comment to my friend, &quot;These guys don&#039;t see the irony, do they?&quot; After thinking about it for a few days thereafter, it dawned on me that there was no irony to see: my assumptions did not apply. Since I don&#039;t see firearms as &quot;toys&quot; and firearm use as a &quot;game&quot;, I see Obama as a threat to my rights as a gun owner. Clay shooters, outfitted with one-shot shotguns, wouldn&#039;t care if Obama moved to ban &quot;assault weapons&quot; or handguns. Indeed, this would probably be a good thing, as their &quot;sport&quot; would become more dignified by shedding the unfortunate association with the assorted riff-raff who use firearms for such vulgar pursuits as defense of self and loved ones. (If you don&#039;t believe me, try chatting up a British sport shooter and getting his views on the proper use of a firearm).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is anyone surprised by Cooper, Zumbo et al.?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, Cooper and Zumbo&#8217;s prime markets were (and are) &#8220;sport&#8221; hunters or &#8220;sport&#8221; target shooters. Much like the Brits, too many individuals in these communities tend to view guns as toys and their activity as a game. From their perspective, there is no contradiction between their ownership of firearms and their support for Obama. Such individuals would have no problem with a broad range of &#8220;common sense&#8221; gun control measures, with the implicit caveat that their particular &#8220;sport&#8221; would not be affected. That is: If laws against knives do not apply to &#8220;players&#8221; carrying swords at a Society for Creative Anachronism event, then laws against guns would not apply to &#8220;players&#8221; of &#8220;outdoor sports&#8221;. </p>
<p>This is how I grew to understand something that I observed just within the past month. A friend invited me to a private, outdoor range in northern VA. As he showed me about the property, we came upon the clay shooters doing their &#8220;sport&#8221;. Sure enough, parked in front of this clay shooting area were several vehicles with Obama &#8217;08 bumper stickers. My first reaction, of course, was to comment to my friend, &#8220;These guys don&#8217;t see the irony, do they?&#8221; After thinking about it for a few days thereafter, it dawned on me that there was no irony to see: my assumptions did not apply. Since I don&#8217;t see firearms as &#8220;toys&#8221; and firearm use as a &#8220;game&#8221;, I see Obama as a threat to my rights as a gun owner. Clay shooters, outfitted with one-shot shotguns, wouldn&#8217;t care if Obama moved to ban &#8220;assault weapons&#8221; or handguns. Indeed, this would probably be a good thing, as their &#8220;sport&#8221; would become more dignified by shedding the unfortunate association with the assorted riff-raff who use firearms for such vulgar pursuits as defense of self and loved ones. (If you don&#8217;t believe me, try chatting up a British sport shooter and getting his views on the proper use of a firearm).</p>
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		<title>By: ParatrooperJJ</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/29/update-on-cooper-firearms-issue/#comment-32195</link>
		<dc:creator>ParatrooperJJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won&#039;t be happy till he either sells or gives away any stock he owns and resigns his seat on the board if he still has one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t be happy till he either sells or gives away any stock he owns and resigns his seat on the board if he still has one.</p>
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		<title>By: John Morgan</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/29/update-on-cooper-firearms-issue/#comment-32194</link>
		<dc:creator>John Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong in my thinking, but it will take exactly that, not just a few folks saying so nor Dan Cooper&#039;s resignation.  I can be accused of being a stubborn dumbass, but never of taking Second Amendment rights lightly or for granted.  With DC&#039;s resignation, how could I be sure that I still was not supporting his bankroll nor a politician trying to limit or remove these rights?  This is just my quandry and I will have to come to terms ith it, but I&#039;m not there yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong in my thinking, but it will take exactly that, not just a few folks saying so nor Dan Cooper&#8217;s resignation.  I can be accused of being a stubborn dumbass, but never of taking Second Amendment rights lightly or for granted.  With DC&#8217;s resignation, how could I be sure that I still was not supporting his bankroll nor a politician trying to limit or remove these rights?  This is just my quandry and I will have to come to terms ith it, but I&#8217;m not there yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/29/update-on-cooper-firearms-issue/#comment-32193</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Echoing Sebastian, I would suspect he kept his support of gun grabbing Democrats quiet in the company, it wouldn&#039;t be too popular.

On the other hand, he wasn&#039;t shy about making himself available to the press about his support for Obama LONG after everyone who cared to know knew Obama was the worst sort of gun grabber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Echoing Sebastian, I would suspect he kept his support of gun grabbing Democrats quiet in the company, it wouldn&#8217;t be too popular.</p>
<p>On the other hand, he wasn&#8217;t shy about making himself available to the press about his support for Obama LONG after everyone who cared to know knew Obama was the worst sort of gun grabber.</p>
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