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		<title>By: Bitter</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/14/meleanie-hain-prevails/#comment-35288</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to say that it is shall issue and not may issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to say that it is shall issue and not may issue.</p>
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		<title>By: armed_citizen</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/14/meleanie-hain-prevails/#comment-35284</link>
		<dc:creator>armed_citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, I disagree with your assessment that Pa. is not &#039;shall issue&#039; for LTCFs.  The statute (§6109(e)(1)) even uses that language, and if an applicant meets the legal qualifications, the Sheriff has no discretion in the decision.  Even the NRA shows us as a &quot;shall issue&quot; state (http://www.nraila.org/images/rtcmaplg.jpg)

Granted, the &quot;character&quot; and &quot;habitual drunkard&quot; points are a bit subjective, but beyond that, the Sheriff doesn&#039;t &quot;make the decision&quot;, he simply follows the law put in place by the legislature.  Allowing Sheriff&#039;s discretion in this matter would also be a violation of §6120, since it would be permitting a county official to regulate the &quot;possession, transfer, or transportation of firearms&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, I disagree with your assessment that Pa. is not &#8216;shall issue&#8217; for LTCFs.  The statute (§6109(e)(1)) even uses that language, and if an applicant meets the legal qualifications, the Sheriff has no discretion in the decision.  Even the NRA shows us as a &#8220;shall issue&#8221; state (<a href="http://www.nraila.org/images/rtcmaplg.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.nraila.org/images/rtcmaplg.jpg</a>)</p>
<p>Granted, the &#8220;character&#8221; and &#8220;habitual drunkard&#8221; points are a bit subjective, but beyond that, the Sheriff doesn&#8217;t &#8220;make the decision&#8221;, he simply follows the law put in place by the legislature.  Allowing Sheriff&#8217;s discretion in this matter would also be a violation of §6120, since it would be permitting a county official to regulate the &#8220;possession, transfer, or transportation of firearms&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bitter</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/14/meleanie-hain-prevails/#comment-35281</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jen, I think you need to read this blog more before commenting.  Sebastian is a steadfast defender of Second Amendment rights.

No one is charging that they feel unsafe around her, if you would take the time to read the debate closely (along with many other posts here), it&#039;s about how to best pursue public relations on the issue without turning off large numbers of the population.  No, that doesn&#039;t mean always giving into them, it just means stopping to think about the context of actions and follow through should a PR disaster start to unfold.

One example of turning off people might include your comment which charges many activist gun owners engaged in reasonable and intelligent debate on this site are nothing but morons who deserve to be robbed.  That doesn&#039;t do anything to move the argument or issue forward.

I should also mention that Pennsylvania is not shall issue for carry licenses.  While I would agree it&#039;s not right for the Sheriff to have pulled it, it&#039;s hardly considered an abuse of power.  She ultimately prevailed in getting her license restored, and that&#039;s a good thing.  It was presented here as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jen, I think you need to read this blog more before commenting.  Sebastian is a steadfast defender of Second Amendment rights.</p>
<p>No one is charging that they feel unsafe around her, if you would take the time to read the debate closely (along with many other posts here), it&#8217;s about how to best pursue public relations on the issue without turning off large numbers of the population.  No, that doesn&#8217;t mean always giving into them, it just means stopping to think about the context of actions and follow through should a PR disaster start to unfold.</p>
<p>One example of turning off people might include your comment which charges many activist gun owners engaged in reasonable and intelligent debate on this site are nothing but morons who deserve to be robbed.  That doesn&#8217;t do anything to move the argument or issue forward.</p>
<p>I should also mention that Pennsylvania is not shall issue for carry licenses.  While I would agree it&#8217;s not right for the Sheriff to have pulled it, it&#8217;s hardly considered an abuse of power.  She ultimately prevailed in getting her license restored, and that&#8217;s a good thing.  It was presented here as such.</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/14/meleanie-hain-prevails/#comment-35278</link>
		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s our right as Americans to carry a gun. She&#039;s not a criminal and not a threat and it is not concealed. If the other parents were that worried about it, why don&#039;t they just carry a gun on their hip also... It&#039;s not illegal. Some people just don&#039;t like it... and I&#039;m sorry but just because you don&#039;t like something, that doesn&#039;t mean it should have to change... grow up people.Be adults. If you feel that unsafe around her, carry your own gun to &quot;protect&quot; yourself.... Maybe the way you feel about her having the gun, is the way she feels about strange people and feels the need to protect herself and her kids... and you never know... maybe when your ass gets robbed/held up by some little punk she&#039;ll be there to help... Hopefully she wont though, b/c you should of had your own gun. Morons.. This is her right and I stand behind her completely. And the sheriff that took away her permit should lose his job for abuse of power. Just b/c he doesn&#039;t like it, that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not still legal. He violated her constitutional rights and used his position to do so....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s our right as Americans to carry a gun. She&#8217;s not a criminal and not a threat and it is not concealed. If the other parents were that worried about it, why don&#8217;t they just carry a gun on their hip also&#8230; It&#8217;s not illegal. Some people just don&#8217;t like it&#8230; and I&#8217;m sorry but just because you don&#8217;t like something, that doesn&#8217;t mean it should have to change&#8230; grow up people.Be adults. If you feel that unsafe around her, carry your own gun to &#8220;protect&#8221; yourself&#8230;. Maybe the way you feel about her having the gun, is the way she feels about strange people and feels the need to protect herself and her kids&#8230; and you never know&#8230; maybe when your ass gets robbed/held up by some little punk she&#8217;ll be there to help&#8230; Hopefully she wont though, b/c you should of had your own gun. Morons.. This is her right and I stand behind her completely. And the sheriff that took away her permit should lose his job for abuse of power. Just b/c he doesn&#8217;t like it, that doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not still legal. He violated her constitutional rights and used his position to do so&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Gay Al</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/14/meleanie-hain-prevails/#comment-34205</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Gay Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say that, perhaps he should have carried concealed, all things considered.  But as he was not in the security zone, and had not passed through any metal detectors, he was not breaking the law.  At the MOST, I could see police talking to him.  But arrested?  If this plays out by the book, he should have great grounds for a lawsuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say that, perhaps he should have carried concealed, all things considered.  But as he was not in the security zone, and had not passed through any metal detectors, he was not breaking the law.  At the MOST, I could see police talking to him.  But arrested?  If this plays out by the book, he should have great grounds for a lawsuit.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/14/meleanie-hain-prevails/#comment-34203</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that he shouldn&#039;t have been arrested, but open carrying under some circumstances is asking for a public relations disaster.  An Obama rally would be one of those circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that he shouldn&#8217;t have been arrested, but open carrying under some circumstances is asking for a public relations disaster.  An Obama rally would be one of those circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Gay Al</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/14/meleanie-hain-prevails/#comment-34198</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Gay Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things.  The guy at the Obama rally was NOT within the secured zone, and therefore, should not have been arrested.  He was not doing anything that would be remotely considered illegal.

Second, if we have the right to carry for self defense, then do it.  Openly, or concealed, makes no difference to me.  I see nothing wrong with either method, as long as it&#039;s legal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things.  The guy at the Obama rally was NOT within the secured zone, and therefore, should not have been arrested.  He was not doing anything that would be remotely considered illegal.</p>
<p>Second, if we have the right to carry for self defense, then do it.  Openly, or concealed, makes no difference to me.  I see nothing wrong with either method, as long as it&#8217;s legal.</p>
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		<title>By: Don B</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/14/meleanie-hain-prevails/#comment-34191</link>
		<dc:creator>Don B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes littles sense to me to buy a gun for the purpose of personal protection (like the Democrats say we are entitled to do) and then leave the gun sitting at home in a gun safe.  The first thing you should buy when purchasing handgun for personal protection is a good, comfortable holster...and then USE IT!  This lady was doing what she should have been doing...carrying her weapon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes littles sense to me to buy a gun for the purpose of personal protection (like the Democrats say we are entitled to do) and then leave the gun sitting at home in a gun safe.  The first thing you should buy when purchasing handgun for personal protection is a good, comfortable holster&#8230;and then USE IT!  This lady was doing what she should have been doing&#8230;carrying her weapon!</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/14/meleanie-hain-prevails/#comment-34144</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Willy,

It&#039;s a simple question, but the answer is complex.  I understand why Ms. Hain carries a gun.  What I understand a lot less is why she would want to deal with displaying it openly.  It&#039;s something I&#039;d be willing to try to explain if you have an open mind about it, but a lot of people don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willy,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a simple question, but the answer is complex.  I understand why Ms. Hain carries a gun.  What I understand a lot less is why she would want to deal with displaying it openly.  It&#8217;s something I&#8217;d be willing to try to explain if you have an open mind about it, but a lot of people don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Willy</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/14/meleanie-hain-prevails/#comment-34139</link>
		<dc:creator>Willy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does she need a gun for in the first place, Is it a war zone in her home town. Just another whack job showing what a cunt she can be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does she need a gun for in the first place, Is it a war zone in her home town. Just another whack job showing what a cunt she can be.</p>
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