Comments on: Things Getting Nasty in Norfolk http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/09/things-getting-nasty-in-norfolk/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:54:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Laughingdog http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/09/things-getting-nasty-in-norfolk/#comment-31236 Laughingdog Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:42:41 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=5803#comment-31236 The only security at Waterside is on duty police, since it's publicly funded, as opposed to the neighboring private mall, which has actual private security. The only security at Waterside is on duty police, since it’s publicly funded, as opposed to the neighboring private mall, which has actual private security.

]]> By: mariner http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/09/things-getting-nasty-in-norfolk/#comment-31207 mariner Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:51:07 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=5803#comment-31207 IANAL, but it's my understanding that in VA signage carries no legal weight. To be guilty of trespass, a person must be asked by the owner or manager of the private property to leave and he must fail to leave. On-duty police officers are not empowered to walk up to someone and tell him to leave private property. Off-duty officers working as security personnel may do this. IANAL, but it’s my understanding that in VA signage carries no legal weight.

To be guilty of trespass, a person must be asked by the owner or manager of the private property to leave and he must fail to leave.

On-duty police officers are not empowered to walk up to someone and tell him to leave private property. Off-duty officers working as security personnel may do this.

]]> By: Laughingdog http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/09/things-getting-nasty-in-norfolk/#comment-31127 Laughingdog Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:07:56 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=5803#comment-31127 Waterside Mall in Norfolk is actually publicly funded. We have two malls here: MacArthur Center (privately owned) and Waterside (public/private partnership). Legally, in Virginia at least, you can't be made to leave Waterside simply for carrying any more than you can be made to leave city hall or the public buses for carrying. In other words, the city is up sh** creek here, especially since they had a black man and a white man, side by side, and both armed, and only arrested the black man. Dan's other incidents may have left open the possibility that it was driven in part by his skin color. This one removes all doubt. I also hope the person who was told to stop filming "or else" makes sure to sue the city as well. As it is, I plan to encourage Dan to use the money he gets from these suits to buy advertising time when Mayor Fraim runs for reelection. Something simple like "This ad was paid for by your tax money, because Mayor Fraim condones racism in the city government and local police". Waterside Mall in Norfolk is actually publicly funded. We have two malls here: MacArthur Center (privately owned) and Waterside (public/private partnership). Legally, in Virginia at least, you can’t be made to leave Waterside simply for carrying any more than you can be made to leave city hall or the public buses for carrying.

In other words, the city is up sh** creek here, especially since they had a black man and a white man, side by side, and both armed, and only arrested the black man. Dan’s other incidents may have left open the possibility that it was driven in part by his skin color. This one removes all doubt.

I also hope the person who was told to stop filming “or else” makes sure to sue the city as well. As it is, I plan to encourage Dan to use the money he gets from these suits to buy advertising time when Mayor Fraim runs for reelection. Something simple like “This ad was paid for by your tax money, because Mayor Fraim condones racism in the city government and local police”.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/09/things-getting-nasty-in-norfolk/#comment-31111 Sebastian Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:36:11 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=5803#comment-31111 I'm not sure how trespass works in Virginia law. In Pennsylvania's criminal trespass statute, you are guilty of being a defiant trespasser if it's communicated to you via "posting in a manner prescribed by law or reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders" I don't know what Virginia says about signage. In Pennsylvania, small print isn't reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders. I’m not sure how trespass works in Virginia law. In Pennsylvania’s criminal trespass statute, you are guilty of being a defiant trespasser if it’s communicated to you via “posting in a manner prescribed by law or reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders” I don’t know what Virginia says about signage. In Pennsylvania, small print isn’t reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders.

]]> By: Skullz http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/09/things-getting-nasty-in-norfolk/#comment-31109 Skullz Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:29:13 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=5803#comment-31109 Hit the submit button too soon - also, wouldn't the owner or someone acting on the owner's behalf need to contact the police for Mr. Moore to be charged with trespass? Someone needs to ask a trespasser to leave before they are actually trespassing. Hit the submit button too soon – also, wouldn’t the owner or someone acting on the owner’s behalf need to contact the police for Mr. Moore to be charged with trespass? Someone needs to ask a trespasser to leave before they are actually trespassing.

]]> By: Skullz http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/10/09/things-getting-nasty-in-norfolk/#comment-31108 Skullz Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:27:42 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=5803#comment-31108 I'm not familiar with Virgina's laws, but in PA - a sign carries no weight. I’m not familiar with Virgina’s laws, but in PA – a sign carries no weight.

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