Comments on: Teaching With Laser Grips http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/teaching-with-laser-grips/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:20:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: SayUncle » Crimson Trace Laser Grips as a training aid http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/teaching-with-laser-grips/#comment-28907 SayUncle » Crimson Trace Laser Grips as a training aid Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:03:08 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4900#comment-28907 [...] Sebastian: The training use of laser sights is one thing that Todd Jarrett impressed on us at Blackwater.. This is not an angle I had ever considered before, and after seeing his technique demoed, I’m sold. What the laser helps to do is to amplify movement, so you can immediately get useful feedback on grip, stance, trigger control, and follow through. [...]

]]> By: chris http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/teaching-with-laser-grips/#comment-28895 chris Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:59:10 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4900#comment-28895 i got to try a kimber with crimson trace grips on sunday... i noticed that in my shooting position, i couldnt even see the dot... but then again, if i ever need the laser, i probably wont be needing the sights a whole lot. i got to try a kimber with crimson trace grips on sunday… i noticed that in my shooting position, i couldnt even see the dot… but then again, if i ever need the laser, i probably wont be needing the sights a whole lot.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/teaching-with-laser-grips/#comment-28871 Jeff Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:41:57 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4900#comment-28871 A instructor friend of mine has laser grips on his j-frame. A few minutes dry firing with them improved my j-frame shooting dramatically. I think they're a wonderful tool for small revolvers because they tighten the feedback loop on your trigger technique quite a bit. A instructor friend of mine has laser grips on his j-frame. A few minutes dry firing with them improved my j-frame shooting dramatically. I think they’re a wonderful tool for small revolvers because they tighten the feedback loop on your trigger technique quite a bit.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/teaching-with-laser-grips/#comment-28865 Sebastian Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:45:40 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4900#comment-28865 I'd say you can start diagnosing and correcting with the laser fairly early, just don't let them use it as a substitute for learning how to use open sights. I’d say you can start diagnosing and correcting with the laser fairly early, just don’t let them use it as a substitute for learning how to use open sights.

]]> By: Jason The Saj http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/teaching-with-laser-grips/#comment-28864 Jason The Saj Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:40:26 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4900#comment-28864 "I still believe beginners need to know how to use open sights. But for people who get that part, the laser is a great tool for helping make someone a better shooter." How do you know "when" you've reached the above state? I've decided to get a rail laser for my P-345 and also one for my wife's LCP. The reasons why I've decided this are: 1. Training aid 2. Intimidation factor 3. My wife likes the color red? “I still believe beginners need to know how to use open sights. But for people who get that part, the laser is a great tool for helping make someone a better shooter.”

How do you know “when” you’ve reached the above state?

I’ve decided to get a rail laser for my P-345 and also one for my wife’s LCP. The reasons why I’ve decided this are:

1. Training aid
2. Intimidation factor
3. My wife likes the color red?

]]> By: Robb Allen http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/teaching-with-laser-grips/#comment-28862 Robb Allen Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:16:14 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4900#comment-28862 Countertop - Actually, in the shoot house it took 1/100th of a second to find the red dot and pull the trigger. Target acquisition is amazing with it. However, you need to be able to actually use the sights correctly because all electronics fail at some point and not knowing how to use the irons on your pistol is a recipe for disaster. There is another aspect behind lasers and that's one of intimidation. You can see the red dot emanating from the gun. A bad guy is going to realize that you've got not only a bead on him, but that you're going to have a better chance at putting that round exactly where the little dot is. Finally (for this comment at least) when you use iron sights or even red dots, you have to expose your entire head to the target to gain a sight picture. With a laser, all you need is the ability to see the target with one eye. Countertop – Actually, in the shoot house it took 1/100th of a second to find the red dot and pull the trigger. Target acquisition is amazing with it. However, you need to be able to actually use the sights correctly because all electronics fail at some point and not knowing how to use the irons on your pistol is a recipe for disaster.

There is another aspect behind lasers and that’s one of intimidation. You can see the red dot emanating from the gun. A bad guy is going to realize that you’ve got not only a bead on him, but that you’re going to have a better chance at putting that round exactly where the little dot is.

Finally (for this comment at least) when you use iron sights or even red dots, you have to expose your entire head to the target to gain a sight picture. With a laser, all you need is the ability to see the target with one eye.

]]> By: countertop http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/teaching-with-laser-grips/#comment-28861 countertop Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:05:51 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4900#comment-28861 Interesting post. One of the things I've always laughed at is when I go to the range and someone has a laser on their gun and you can readily see how poor/unsteady a shooter they are. Never really thought of using them to help CORRECT a problem, but it makes perfect sense. Still, not really inclined to purchase a set, and its odd that if training is their best use, you would think Crimson Trace and others would make note of that in their marketing, which they don't. But I'm wondering, I've got a laser bore sight, maybe I can use that at home to practice grip control, stance, etc. Interesting post.

One of the things I’ve always laughed at is when I go to the range and someone has a laser on their gun and you can readily see how poor/unsteady a shooter they are.

Never really thought of using them to help CORRECT a problem, but it makes perfect sense.

Still, not really inclined to purchase a set, and its odd that if training is their best use, you would think Crimson Trace and others would make note of that in their marketing, which they don’t.

But I’m wondering, I’ve got a laser bore sight, maybe I can use that at home to practice grip control, stance, etc.

]]> By: Bitter http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/teaching-with-laser-grips/#comment-28855 Bitter Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:03:17 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4900#comment-28855 I'm glad you added the update. No reasonable instructor I've ever known will use laser grips to teach beginners. I've seen it before and those newbies can't shoot for shit when they don't have a laser grip. I’m glad you added the update. No reasonable instructor I’ve ever known will use laser grips to teach beginners. I’ve seen it before and those newbies can’t shoot for shit when they don’t have a laser grip.

]]> By: Robb Allen http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/teaching-with-laser-grips/#comment-28852 Robb Allen Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:43:53 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4900#comment-28852 You do realize that Todd's pistol didn't have a laser grip, don't you? The red dot you saw was simply a manifestation of his <i>intensity</i>. You do realize that Todd’s pistol didn’t have a laser grip, don’t you?

The red dot you saw was simply a manifestation of his intensity.

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