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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/reconsidering-2/#comment-29036</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah... ok... sometimes that doesn&#039;t come across on Al Gore&#039;s internets too well.  Thanks for the offer though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah&#8230; ok&#8230; sometimes that doesn&#8217;t come across on Al Gore&#8217;s internets too well.  Thanks for the offer though.</p>
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		<title>By: Scout</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/reconsidering-2/#comment-29029</link>
		<dc:creator>Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thate was just some late night sense of humor, there was no actual plan, I had just been joking with my wife about it before I left for the course, about how she might not ever see me again if it was a bunch of Hitler Youth there. And that if I saw someone with a Nazi or White Power tattoo on their back or chest, it would be a bad sign. 

But I didn&#039;t. 

There, that was the whole plan above, in it&#039;s briliant simplicity. I am probably the least &quot;out there&quot; person you will ever meet. 

And the offer to pay your way at a shoot in Texas still stands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thate was just some late night sense of humor, there was no actual plan, I had just been joking with my wife about it before I left for the course, about how she might not ever see me again if it was a bunch of Hitler Youth there. And that if I saw someone with a Nazi or White Power tattoo on their back or chest, it would be a bad sign. </p>
<p>But I didn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>There, that was the whole plan above, in it&#8217;s briliant simplicity. I am probably the least &#8220;out there&#8221; person you will ever meet. </p>
<p>And the offer to pay your way at a shoot in Texas still stands.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/reconsidering-2/#comment-28989</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I even had a plan to purposely inspect other people’s naked bodies in the shower,(which was ice cold water, on a wooden crate, outside, directly in the middle of a gravel road), because I told myself that if I saw even one Nazi Swastika, or “white power” tattoo hidden somewhere, the deal was over.&lt;/i&gt;

If you&#039;re trying to convince me to go to an Appleseed, talking about your plans to inspect other people&#039;s naked bodies probably isn&#039;t the way to go about it.  Your other fellows come on a bit strong, but that&#039;s.... out there dude.   Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I even had a plan to purposely inspect other people’s naked bodies in the shower,(which was ice cold water, on a wooden crate, outside, directly in the middle of a gravel road), because I told myself that if I saw even one Nazi Swastika, or “white power” tattoo hidden somewhere, the deal was over.</i></p>
<p>If you&#8217;re trying to convince me to go to an Appleseed, talking about your plans to inspect other people&#8217;s naked bodies probably isn&#8217;t the way to go about it.  Your other fellows come on a bit strong, but that&#8217;s&#8230;. out there dude.   Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Scout</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/reconsidering-2/#comment-28983</link>
		<dc:creator>Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sebastion, 
 I admire you for having strong opinions, but I admire you more for being able to set them aside until you have all the details. I find I have to do the same thing on occasion. 

This country needs more men with strong, passionate, relevant opinions. That seems to be something we are short of these days, and one of the things Appleseed is trying to help remedy.

If you go to an Appleseed and have the same opinion of it afterwards, no problem. That, I can live with, though I will try to correct any problems in the program that we find are real afterwards.

We don&#039;t have all the answers to getting folks to learn, sometimes we have to wing it or make things work in impromtu fashion. We need more guys with the desire to help America, with more ideas, to make a better shooting program. We never turn down good ideas.

If you are close to Texas, you are invited to be my guest at the Central Texas location here, and shoot on my dime, rifles, ammunition and meals included. The range is on my private property, 25 yard and 100-700 KD.

There is an APpleseed location in Throop NY, in Auburn, that should have a shoot coming up. Guy can let you know any info on it Orange. I was just there in July for an event with Nickle, then we both went to Vermont for an APpleseed shoot at the military base there. There was a whole carfull of New York,&quot;City Yankees&quot; that came to the Throop NY event.

They were recent legal immigrants from eastern block countries, Russia, Poland, Latvia. They were amazing. None had fired a rifle before, but they were filled with the desire to become proficient, and they did become proficient, including the young woman. Even though we had to shoot straight through weather that ranged from opressive sun and heat one day, to hours of torrential rain the next. No one complained or left.

But what amazed me most was how the story of Americas freedom and liberty resonated with them. They had experienced the other alternative and wanted to become &quot;American&quot; Patriots and ,make sure that they would never have to be under a repressive regime again.

As far as tin foil and black helicopters, I was working for this organization for a good while before I ever met anyone face to face. I finally went to an eight day instructors course. But all the while in the back of my head was the idea that they would probably turn out to be some type of undesirables or a cult. It was too good to be true. The people were too friendly.

I even had a plan to purposely inspect other people&#039;s naked bodies in the shower,(which was ice cold water, on a wooden crate, outside, directly in the middle of a gravel road), because I told myself that if I saw even one Nazi Swastika, or &quot;white power&quot; tattoo hidden somewhere, the deal was over.

Thankfully no one had any and I have never looked back. The people I have met are the truest Americans I have ever desired to meet. I just wished I had met them earlier in my life, so I would not have wasted so much time, not working toward a better America, or with sorry friends.

I hope to see you soon, or read about your experience at some point. My offer stand until you get to an Appleseed.
Scout</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sebastion,<br />
 I admire you for having strong opinions, but I admire you more for being able to set them aside until you have all the details. I find I have to do the same thing on occasion. </p>
<p>This country needs more men with strong, passionate, relevant opinions. That seems to be something we are short of these days, and one of the things Appleseed is trying to help remedy.</p>
<p>If you go to an Appleseed and have the same opinion of it afterwards, no problem. That, I can live with, though I will try to correct any problems in the program that we find are real afterwards.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have all the answers to getting folks to learn, sometimes we have to wing it or make things work in impromtu fashion. We need more guys with the desire to help America, with more ideas, to make a better shooting program. We never turn down good ideas.</p>
<p>If you are close to Texas, you are invited to be my guest at the Central Texas location here, and shoot on my dime, rifles, ammunition and meals included. The range is on my private property, 25 yard and 100-700 KD.</p>
<p>There is an APpleseed location in Throop NY, in Auburn, that should have a shoot coming up. Guy can let you know any info on it Orange. I was just there in July for an event with Nickle, then we both went to Vermont for an APpleseed shoot at the military base there. There was a whole carfull of New York,&#8221;City Yankees&#8221; that came to the Throop NY event.</p>
<p>They were recent legal immigrants from eastern block countries, Russia, Poland, Latvia. They were amazing. None had fired a rifle before, but they were filled with the desire to become proficient, and they did become proficient, including the young woman. Even though we had to shoot straight through weather that ranged from opressive sun and heat one day, to hours of torrential rain the next. No one complained or left.</p>
<p>But what amazed me most was how the story of Americas freedom and liberty resonated with them. They had experienced the other alternative and wanted to become &#8220;American&#8221; Patriots and ,make sure that they would never have to be under a repressive regime again.</p>
<p>As far as tin foil and black helicopters, I was working for this organization for a good while before I ever met anyone face to face. I finally went to an eight day instructors course. But all the while in the back of my head was the idea that they would probably turn out to be some type of undesirables or a cult. It was too good to be true. The people were too friendly.</p>
<p>I even had a plan to purposely inspect other people&#8217;s naked bodies in the shower,(which was ice cold water, on a wooden crate, outside, directly in the middle of a gravel road), because I told myself that if I saw even one Nazi Swastika, or &#8220;white power&#8221; tattoo hidden somewhere, the deal was over.</p>
<p>Thankfully no one had any and I have never looked back. The people I have met are the truest Americans I have ever desired to meet. I just wished I had met them earlier in my life, so I would not have wasted so much time, not working toward a better America, or with sorry friends.</p>
<p>I hope to see you soon, or read about your experience at some point. My offer stand until you get to an Appleseed.<br />
Scout</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Completely</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/reconsidering-2/#comment-28932</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Completely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Appleseed folks had a booth set up at the Steel Challenge World Championships in California a couple of weeks ago, and I had the chance to visit with them a couple of times. They were nice folks, and I wish them well. No program is a perfect fit for everyone, but I think their efforts have merit.

                              ........ Mr. C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Appleseed folks had a booth set up at the Steel Challenge World Championships in California a couple of weeks ago, and I had the chance to visit with them a couple of times. They were nice folks, and I wish them well. No program is a perfect fit for everyone, but I think their efforts have merit.</p>
<p>                              &#8230;&#8230;.. Mr. C.</p>
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		<title>By: The Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/reconsidering-2/#comment-28920</link>
		<dc:creator>The Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I figured.  Since I enter it to post, I assumed that Sebastian could retreve it.

I am also reachable at www.appleseedinfo.org/smf which is our forum.  You may click on my member name and retreve it that way, or send me a pm.

Aw heck, spambots are computer anyway, and if I get a ton of spam, it is my own fault.

Let&#039;s try it like this.  Wanna play hangman?  it is-f*rmb*y1536-y****.c*m

Eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I figured.  Since I enter it to post, I assumed that Sebastian could retreve it.</p>
<p>I am also reachable at <a href="http://www.appleseedinfo.org/smf" rel="nofollow">http://www.appleseedinfo.org/smf</a> which is our forum.  You may click on my member name and retreve it that way, or send me a pm.</p>
<p>Aw heck, spambots are computer anyway, and if I get a ton of spam, it is my own fault.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s try it like this.  Wanna play hangman?  it is-f*rmb*y1536-y****.c*m</p>
<p>Eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/reconsidering-2/#comment-28918</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s on the page, in graphic form so spammers don&#039;t get it.  It&#039;ll zoom in if you click on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s on the page, in graphic form so spammers don&#8217;t get it.  It&#8217;ll zoom in if you click on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Unix-Jedi</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/reconsidering-2/#comment-28916</link>
		<dc:creator>Unix-Jedi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Guy doesn&#039;t want to post it (which isn&#039;t totally unreasonable for a private email), assuming it&#039;s not out on the wirrld-wide intarwebz - he could at least let Sebastian relay it to anyone interested.

Sebastian, it is in your info, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Guy doesn&#8217;t want to post it (which isn&#8217;t totally unreasonable for a private email), assuming it&#8217;s not out on the wirrld-wide intarwebz &#8211; he could at least let Sebastian relay it to anyone interested.</p>
<p>Sebastian, it is in your info, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/reconsidering-2/#comment-28912</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t give out e-mail on here unless you want the spammers to get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t give out e-mail on here unless you want the spammers to get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Unix-Jedi</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/27/reconsidering-2/#comment-28909</link>
		<dc:creator>Unix-Jedi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guy:

You asked for email contact, but you didn&#039;t give your email. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy:</p>
<p>You asked for email contact, but you didn&#8217;t give your email. :)</p>
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