Comments on: My Take on the SNBI Thing http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/15/my-take-on-the-snbi-thing/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:20:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kurt "45superman" Hofmann http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/15/my-take-on-the-snbi-thing/#comment-28340 Kurt "45superman" Hofmann Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:02:45 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4621#comment-28340 Are you saying that you see the value of that approach when on the defensive, but not for advancing gun rights? Not trying to be a smartass--just genuinely curious. Are you saying that you see the value of that approach when on the defensive, but not for advancing gun rights? Not trying to be a smartass–just genuinely curious.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/15/my-take-on-the-snbi-thing/#comment-28339 Sebastian Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:59:04 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4621#comment-28339 I wouldn't discount the value of the good cop/bad cop routine. You might find me playing that angle more often if we start having to retreat again. I wouldn’t discount the value of the good cop/bad cop routine. You might find me playing that angle more often if we start having to retreat again.

]]> By: Kurt "45superman" Hofmann http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/15/my-take-on-the-snbi-thing/#comment-28338 Kurt "45superman" Hofmann Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:32:04 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4621#comment-28338 I've made that very point in the past, Vinnie--although I didn't state it as well as you did. We don't have to choose between a "moderate" message on one hand, and a "hard core" one on the other (with both "pragmatic" and "SNBI" having both gained negative connotations, depending on to whom one is talking, I changed the terminology a bit--but the meaning is the same). If both messages are delivered, they can complement one another, rather than compete. I’ve made that very point in the past, Vinnie–although I didn’t state it as well as you did.

We don’t have to choose between a “moderate” message on one hand, and a “hard core” one on the other (with both “pragmatic” and “SNBI” having both gained negative connotations, depending on to whom one is talking, I changed the terminology a bit–but the meaning is the same).

If both messages are delivered, they can complement one another, rather than compete.

]]> By: vinnie http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/15/my-take-on-the-snbi-thing/#comment-28337 vinnie Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:18:28 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4621#comment-28337 Sounds like a good opportunity to use the old good cop/bad. Deal with my moderate demands and I'll see what I can do about my partner. I am not sure how long I can hold him back. You gotta give me something to work with here.... Sounds like a good opportunity to use the old good cop/bad. Deal with my moderate demands and I’ll see what I can do about my partner.
I am not sure how long I can hold him back. You gotta give me something to work with here….

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/15/my-take-on-the-snbi-thing/#comment-28311 Sebastian Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:24:05 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4621#comment-28311 Eh, I don't think this one has legs. Eh, I don’t think this one has legs.

]]> By: illspirit http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/15/my-take-on-the-snbi-thing/#comment-28310 illspirit Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:20:50 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4621#comment-28310 Wee, another round of pragmatism v. confrontational-ism for the Brady Bunch to farm for quotes from both sides which will be taken out of context in order to scare the proverbial white people. /makes some popcorn Wee, another round of pragmatism v. confrontational-ism for the Brady Bunch to farm for quotes from both sides which will be taken out of context in order to scare the proverbial white people.

/makes some popcorn

]]> By: Micheal http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/15/my-take-on-the-snbi-thing/#comment-28303 Micheal Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:21:41 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4621#comment-28303 Bitter, no he is just the one that stands out the most prevalant. I have met plenty of these folks who complain about guns laws, or anything for that matter. Bitter, no he is just the one that stands out the most prevalant. I have met plenty of these folks who complain about guns laws, or anything for that matter.

]]> By: Jason The Saj http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/15/my-take-on-the-snbi-thing/#comment-28302 Jason The Saj Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:58:11 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4621#comment-28302 Kind of like the christian debate of a pre or post Trib rapture.... (or no rapture for some). But I used to put the debate this way. You should expect a pre-Trib rapture but be prepared for a post-Trib. My views are the same, I would love to see America return to it's founding principles. A free moral society with protected rights, and one right to protect all others. A society not taxed to death. Etc. I would love to see that return occur through peaceful and political means. However, at the same time. We need to be individually prepared to prevent a similar path as happened to Germany and Russian in the mid-1900's. So my thoughts are buy your guns, ammo, gold, silver, copper jacketed lead, food, water, MRE's, vitamins, etc. But vote, speak, stand publicly, share your thoughts, vote, speak, share your thoughts. Pacifism is a noble concept but foolish in most cases. That said, we should desire peace over conflict. Remembering that our founding fathers pledged their lives, and their fortunes. And many gave that up. Look to your wives, your sons and your daughters. Are you ready to give them up? Would you give them up... To give up such precious objects one truly needs a hope that something better will be formed and a fear that something much worse is upon it's way. - The Saj Kind of like the christian debate of a pre or post Trib rapture…. (or no rapture for some). But I used to put the debate this way. You should expect a pre-Trib rapture but be prepared for a post-Trib.

My views are the same, I would love to see America return to it’s founding principles. A free moral society with protected rights, and one right to protect all others. A society not taxed to death. Etc.

I would love to see that return occur through peaceful and political means. However, at the same time. We need to be individually prepared to prevent a similar path as happened to Germany and Russian in the mid-1900′s.

So my thoughts are buy your guns, ammo, gold, silver, copper jacketed lead, food, water, MRE’s, vitamins, etc.

But vote, speak, stand publicly, share your thoughts, vote, speak, share your thoughts. Pacifism is a noble concept but foolish in most cases. That said, we should desire peace over conflict.

Remembering that our founding fathers pledged their lives, and their fortunes. And many gave that up. Look to your wives, your sons and your daughters. Are you ready to give them up? Would you give them up…

To give up such precious objects one truly needs a hope that something better will be formed and a fear that something much worse is upon it’s way.

- The Saj

]]> By: Kurt "45superman" Hofmann http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/15/my-take-on-the-snbi-thing/#comment-28301 Kurt "45superman" Hofmann Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:55:22 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4621#comment-28301 I <i>am</i> capable of a more nuanced message, you know. True, I don't make much effort to hide the strength of my convictions when writing a gun blog, or commenting on one, because that's one place I thought I could express my positions without the world coming to an end. When I communicate with elected officials, and I do quite a lot of that at the state level, my approach is considerably different. I am, in short, not disputing the assertion that saying "shall not be infringed" isn't by itself going to defeat the epidemic of gun laws, but I don't think anyone is claiming that it will. I am capable of a more nuanced message, you know. True, I don’t make much effort to hide the strength of my convictions when writing a gun blog, or commenting on one, because that’s one place I thought I could express my positions without the world coming to an end.

When I communicate with elected officials, and I do quite a lot of that at the state level, my approach is considerably different.

I am, in short, not disputing the assertion that saying “shall not be infringed” isn’t by itself going to defeat the epidemic of gun laws, but I don’t think anyone is claiming that it will.

]]> By: Bitter http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/15/my-take-on-the-snbi-thing/#comment-28300 Bitter Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:54:20 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4621#comment-28300 My comment on the Georgia guy: He's the only one you met like that? Work enough gun shows and you'll find about 4 in 10 gun owners are that way. Of the remaining six, five are just too polite to say it and will pretend to take action because they feel sorry for you. :) My comment on the Georgia guy: He’s the only one you met like that? Work enough gun shows and you’ll find about 4 in 10 gun owners are that way. Of the remaining six, five are just too polite to say it and will pretend to take action because they feel sorry for you. :)

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