Comments on: Circular Reasoning http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/13/circular-reasoning/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:01:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Snowflakes in Hell » Blog Archive » NFA Challenges http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/13/circular-reasoning/#comment-35094 Snowflakes in Hell » Blog Archive » NFA Challenges Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:42:57 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4595#comment-35094 [...] with determining whether an arm is “common” or “unusual and dangerous” one has to look at police use.  I would also add that looking at commonality in countries which don’t have such [...] [...] with determining whether an arm is “common” or “unusual and dangerous” one has to look at police use.  I would also add that looking at commonality in countries which don’t have such [...]

]]> By: Melancton Smith http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/13/circular-reasoning/#comment-28264 Melancton Smith Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:55:34 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4595#comment-28264 Fair enough, and you have a point. Perhaps the duties of the militia are different today than they were. However, I disagree with the government on the utility of the militia. I think we need more 'militia attitude'. We need to step up and fix those things that go wrong. I see some of that happening. Flight 93, for one. But also some neighbors in NO during Katrina. I have friends who were out of town during that and some of their neighbors armed up and kept the houses and property safe. This also includes 'mundane' activities like sand-bagging when the waters are rising. Fair enough, and you have a point.

Perhaps the duties of the militia are different today than they were.

However, I disagree with the government on the utility of the militia.

I think we need more ‘militia attitude’. We need to step up and fix those things that go wrong. I see some of that happening. Flight 93, for one. But also some neighbors in NO during Katrina. I have friends who were out of town during that and some of their neighbors armed up and kept the houses and property safe. This also includes ‘mundane’ activities like sand-bagging when the waters are rising.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/13/circular-reasoning/#comment-28263 Sebastian Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:47:23 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4595#comment-28263 I didn't say there was no militia, but it doesn't resemble the militia of the 18th century. I didn’t say there was no militia, but it doesn’t resemble the militia of the 18th century.

]]> By: Melancton Smith http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/13/circular-reasoning/#comment-28262 Melancton Smith Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:44:40 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4595#comment-28262 I disagree that not having to use the militia means there is no militia. Requirements to drill and muster have been dropped for a very long time. Under current Federal law, I am a member of the militia. Under current Illinois State law, I am a member of the militia. Several states still have active defense forces. These forces were used at least as recently as the 1940's. Remember: no militia, no free state. I disagree that not having to use the militia means there is no militia. Requirements to drill and muster have been dropped for a very long time.

Under current Federal law, I am a member of the militia.
Under current Illinois State law, I am a member of the militia.

Several states still have active defense forces. These forces were used at least as recently as the 1940′s.

Remember: no militia, no free state.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/13/circular-reasoning/#comment-28256 Sebastian Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:18:25 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4595#comment-28256 It's precisely because the state does not call you that we don't have a modern analog. I don't think that really changes the second amendments guarantee, but precious few of us have been called to drill or muster for most of the past century. It’s precisely because the state does not call you that we don’t have a modern analog. I don’t think that really changes the second amendments guarantee, but precious few of us have been called to drill or muster for most of the past century.

]]> By: Melancton Smith http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/13/circular-reasoning/#comment-28255 Melancton Smith Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:16:25 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4595#comment-28255 We don't? I consider myself part of a militia analogous to the 18th century militia. Just because my Governor doesn't choose to call me to duty doesn't mean I am absolved of my civic obligation. Remember: no militia, no free state. We don’t? I consider myself part of a militia analogous to the 18th century militia. Just because my Governor doesn’t choose to call me to duty doesn’t mean I am absolved of my civic obligation.

Remember: no militia, no free state.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/13/circular-reasoning/#comment-28250 Sebastian Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:51:35 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4595#comment-28250 Well, strictly speaking, the militia was the police force way back when. We don't really have any modern analogy to the 18th century militia today. Well, strictly speaking, the militia was the police force way back when. We don’t really have any modern analogy to the 18th century militia today.

]]> By: CorbinKale http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/13/circular-reasoning/#comment-28249 CorbinKale Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:35:19 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4595#comment-28249 A well-regulated Police Force, being necessary to the security... Nope, I think the original works best. A well-regulated Police Force, being necessary to the security…

Nope, I think the original works best.

]]> By: SayUncle » As predicted http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/13/circular-reasoning/#comment-28247 SayUncle » As predicted Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:50:06 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4595#comment-28247 [...] Sebastian notes the circular logic and offers another measure to test common use: use of arms by police. [...] [...] Sebastian notes the circular logic and offers another measure to test common use: use of arms by police. [...]

]]> By: Dave http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/08/13/circular-reasoning/#comment-28242 Dave Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:18:38 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4595#comment-28242 They were taxed out of common use. If not for a couple of bad laws that artificially inflate prices, you could probably get a simple gun along the lines of a grease gun or a Sten for $250. Repealing the law that prevents the manufacture of new fully automatic guns is the first part of the problem. Next would be finding a gun company to build a lot of dirt cheap Sten type guns that people could afford. They were taxed out of common use. If not for a couple of bad laws that artificially inflate prices, you could probably get a simple gun along the lines of a grease gun or a Sten for $250.
Repealing the law that prevents the manufacture of new fully automatic guns is the first part of the problem. Next would be finding a gun company to build a lot of dirt cheap Sten type guns that people could afford.

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