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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/24/quote-of-the-day-66/#comment-31233</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not really like that.  There are a lot of reasons we do what we do.  It&#039;s not about paranoia, really.  Plus, I wouldn&#039;t really call a gun a false sense of security.  If someone is breaking into your home, it&#039;s a very real sense of security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not really like that.  There are a lot of reasons we do what we do.  It&#8217;s not about paranoia, really.  Plus, I wouldn&#8217;t really call a gun a false sense of security.  If someone is breaking into your home, it&#8217;s a very real sense of security.</p>
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		<title>By: Peace be with you</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/24/quote-of-the-day-66/#comment-31232</link>
		<dc:creator>Peace be with you</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the fascination with guns? Why do people feel the need to be hording a gun. What is this paranioa fear that people are going to be rioting in the streets and/or needed for defense and that they provide any real protection. Why do people need to give themselves this false sense of security???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the fascination with guns? Why do people feel the need to be hording a gun. What is this paranioa fear that people are going to be rioting in the streets and/or needed for defense and that they provide any real protection. Why do people need to give themselves this false sense of security???</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle &#187; Gun Blogs and Gun Rags</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/24/quote-of-the-day-66/#comment-30730</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle &#187; Gun Blogs and Gun Rags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in general. They&#8217;re not really a place one would go for breaking news. As Robb Allen said once: You know what I like about Freedom [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in general. They&#8217;re not really a place one would go for breaking news. As Robb Allen said once: You know what I like about Freedom [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RedneckInNY</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/24/quote-of-the-day-66/#comment-26983</link>
		<dc:creator>RedneckInNY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps, BC, perhaps...  I, for one, don&#039;t want to give them any encouragement to start them shooting it out with the Feds.  Let them wave their dicks - the 1st Amendment guarantees all forms of freedom of speech.  And as long as they are dick-waving, they&#039;re not gun-waving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps, BC, perhaps&#8230;  I, for one, don&#8217;t want to give them any encouragement to start them shooting it out with the Feds.  Let them wave their dicks &#8211; the 1st Amendment guarantees all forms of freedom of speech.  And as long as they are dick-waving, they&#8217;re not gun-waving.</p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/24/quote-of-the-day-66/#comment-26967</link>
		<dc:creator>BC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RedneckInNY, I have zero expectation that the Mike V&#039;s of the world will do anything other than piss themselves if and when the federales finally do come to take their guns and haul their asses off to the hoosegow. If things really are as irretrievably bad as they claim, and if they had even a scintillia of the courage of their convictions, they&#039;d &lt;i&gt;already&lt;/i&gt; be in a shooting war with the fedgov.

But they&#039;re not. They&#039;re a pack of dick-waving Internet tough guys whose only contribution, other than worthless complaining about their lost rights, is a bunch of equally-worthless posturing, and pissing on anybody who&#039;s actually trying to do something constructive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RedneckInNY, I have zero expectation that the Mike V&#8217;s of the world will do anything other than piss themselves if and when the federales finally do come to take their guns and haul their asses off to the hoosegow. If things really are as irretrievably bad as they claim, and if they had even a scintillia of the courage of their convictions, they&#8217;d <i>already</i> be in a shooting war with the fedgov.</p>
<p>But they&#8217;re not. They&#8217;re a pack of dick-waving Internet tough guys whose only contribution, other than worthless complaining about their lost rights, is a bunch of equally-worthless posturing, and pissing on anybody who&#8217;s actually trying to do something constructive.</p>
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		<title>By: RedneckInNY</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/24/quote-of-the-day-66/#comment-26961</link>
		<dc:creator>RedneckInNY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember what Tommy Lee Jones&#039; character said in Under Siege: &quot;A movement is just that.  It moves a little bit and then it stops.  Hence the term.  Now a revolution; it&#039;s a circular motion that goes around.&quot; (or something like that).  

Sebastian, we all have to remember that by slagging one group of gun-owners, the other side will use that to their advantage, much like that whole pigeon-shoot thing.  They&#039;ll use it to divide an conquer.  As much as Mike V is abrasive, he&#039;s not altogether wrong in his way of thinking, because when all else fails, it&#039;s the Mike V.s of this country that are going to pull our asses out of the fire.  You can talk a pretty talk, but can you back up that talk when the talks break down and action is called for?  I know it&#039;s uncivilized to sink to the other side&#039;s level, but in the proverbial end, that just might be the only level left.

I can just picture Mike V. addressing Rebecca Peters and IANSA, asking them: &quot;You want to take away my guns?  I invite YOU, personally, to come and get them.  I&#039;ll hand them over to you after I&#039;ve unloaded all of them.&quot;  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember what Tommy Lee Jones&#8217; character said in Under Siege: &#8220;A movement is just that.  It moves a little bit and then it stops.  Hence the term.  Now a revolution; it&#8217;s a circular motion that goes around.&#8221; (or something like that).  </p>
<p>Sebastian, we all have to remember that by slagging one group of gun-owners, the other side will use that to their advantage, much like that whole pigeon-shoot thing.  They&#8217;ll use it to divide an conquer.  As much as Mike V is abrasive, he&#8217;s not altogether wrong in his way of thinking, because when all else fails, it&#8217;s the Mike V.s of this country that are going to pull our asses out of the fire.  You can talk a pretty talk, but can you back up that talk when the talks break down and action is called for?  I know it&#8217;s uncivilized to sink to the other side&#8217;s level, but in the proverbial end, that just might be the only level left.</p>
<p>I can just picture Mike V. addressing Rebecca Peters and IANSA, asking them: &#8220;You want to take away my guns?  I invite YOU, personally, to come and get them.  I&#8217;ll hand them over to you after I&#8217;ve unloaded all of them.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: J T Bolt</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/24/quote-of-the-day-66/#comment-26960</link>
		<dc:creator>J T Bolt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Start-shooting, start the revolt fantasists?  On the left AND the right?  Whodda thunk it...  Didn&#039;t I blog about this?

A revolution can&#039;t start until hundreds of folks are first tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail.  An indignity, but no true physical harm.  

I await the youtube footage of feathered Brady members before I&#039;ll even CONSIDER thinking about revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Start-shooting, start the revolt fantasists?  On the left AND the right?  Whodda thunk it&#8230;  Didn&#8217;t I blog about this?</p>
<p>A revolution can&#8217;t start until hundreds of folks are first tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail.  An indignity, but no true physical harm.  </p>
<p>I await the youtube footage of feathered Brady members before I&#8217;ll even CONSIDER thinking about revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/24/quote-of-the-day-66/#comment-26952</link>
		<dc:creator>BC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MichaelG: Among the many differences between Mike Vanderboegh et al and the Framers, one of the more important ones is that the Framers lived in a time when vociferous complaining about the injustices of the day would not infrequently result in one being arrested for sedition or treason, and then shot or hanged. Political dissent, particularly the bomb-throwing flavor, required some physical courage. When the Framers pledged their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor, they weren&#039;t bullshitting; they understood that they were signing up to be labelled as traitors, financially ruined, and possibly executed. By way of contrast, as much as they&#039;d like to believe they&#039;re on the ATF&#039;s &quot;most wanted&quot; list, the biggest risk the armchair revolutionaries endure today is that of getting Cheeto stains on their return keys. And yet they have the fucking nerve to shit on people like Sebastian, whose sin is, apparently, making the observation that we&#039;re in a political climate where scaring the horses is manifestly counterproductive.

Billy: I know you don&#039;t give a single goddamn about whether you have people&#039;s respect, but one of the reason you have mine is because you argue first principles, refrain from dickwaving, and walk the walk.  Of those three criteria, Mike meets one, and only grading on a generous curve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MichaelG: Among the many differences between Mike Vanderboegh et al and the Framers, one of the more important ones is that the Framers lived in a time when vociferous complaining about the injustices of the day would not infrequently result in one being arrested for sedition or treason, and then shot or hanged. Political dissent, particularly the bomb-throwing flavor, required some physical courage. When the Framers pledged their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor, they weren&#8217;t bullshitting; they understood that they were signing up to be labelled as traitors, financially ruined, and possibly executed. By way of contrast, as much as they&#8217;d like to believe they&#8217;re on the ATF&#8217;s &#8220;most wanted&#8221; list, the biggest risk the armchair revolutionaries endure today is that of getting Cheeto stains on their return keys. And yet they have the fucking nerve to shit on people like Sebastian, whose sin is, apparently, making the observation that we&#8217;re in a political climate where scaring the horses is manifestly counterproductive.</p>
<p>Billy: I know you don&#8217;t give a single goddamn about whether you have people&#8217;s respect, but one of the reason you have mine is because you argue first principles, refrain from dickwaving, and walk the walk.  Of those three criteria, Mike meets one, and only grading on a generous curve.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelG</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/24/quote-of-the-day-66/#comment-26938</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BC &amp; Bitter, 
perhaps you should read/reread some more Henry, Franklin, and their contemporaries before there was The Declaration.  I don&#039;t see that their writings were all that more inflamatory then what you all are b****ching about. :)  And frankly I think that its just a little less than principled of you to say that they are &quot;feeling sorry for themselves&quot; and how putting down their message of rights oppression because they live comfortable lives.  You have shown in the past that you are capable of far better responses than that poor bit of snarkishness.

I believe that it takes strength to admit our weaknesses and it is not a weakness to hold ourselves up to a higher standard then we are currently able to meet.  Chin up bars are not set at chest level for a reason.  We need to reach over our heads if we are to pull ourselves up to a higher level.  

I leave with:
Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
—Alfred Lord Tennyson, Ulysses</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BC &amp; Bitter,<br />
perhaps you should read/reread some more Henry, Franklin, and their contemporaries before there was The Declaration.  I don&#8217;t see that their writings were all that more inflamatory then what you all are b****ching about. :)  And frankly I think that its just a little less than principled of you to say that they are &#8220;feeling sorry for themselves&#8221; and how putting down their message of rights oppression because they live comfortable lives.  You have shown in the past that you are capable of far better responses than that poor bit of snarkishness.</p>
<p>I believe that it takes strength to admit our weaknesses and it is not a weakness to hold ourselves up to a higher standard then we are currently able to meet.  Chin up bars are not set at chest level for a reason.  We need to reach over our heads if we are to pull ourselves up to a higher level.  </p>
<p>I leave with:<br />
Though much is taken, much abides; and though<br />
We are not now that strength which in old days<br />
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;<br />
One equal temper of heroic hearts,<br />
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will<br />
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.<br />
—Alfred Lord Tennyson, Ulysses</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/24/quote-of-the-day-66/#comment-26937</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most everyone on the thread, including you, were courteous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most everyone on the thread, including you, were courteous.</p>
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